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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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If you want to point out that I could have been even smarter thirty-plus years ago, the line forms to the left... Stretches down the block... Goes around the corner... &c. But while my memory is imperfect, I believe that I hardcoded that feature to only work when running on my personal Mac SE/30, and also changed the feature/name to have a tossed salad metaphor.

:) Fair enough...

Let's just say that while my library of best practices has grown over the ensuing decades, my collection of anecdotes about worst practices has grown even faster :-D

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Is there any concern of additional eye fatigue w/ time-of-flight sensors? It's purely anecdotal but I was on a project that involved ToF sensors and and a couple on my desk pointed at me. After some time, I noticed my eyes hurt by the time I got home. The eye pain went away after I stopped having the ToF sensors pointed at my face all day.

News to me. I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum, like 850-950nm or so and really light power ratings. I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.

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You're going to need to be specific because there is probably no less than 2 dozen 3-letter agencies who would want this level of access.

Exactly my point. Pick any three letters, they probably want it.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Let's wait and see if these employees get fired, this just broke. Typically an investigation happens. Reminds me of the Uber Christmas party story where they had things like this on a projector

Hum, > Tesla managers sometimes "would crack down on inappropriate sharing of images on public Mattermost channels since they claimed the practice violated company policy," Reuters wrote. somewhat implies that this has been a known issue for a while, already. (This shouldn't be triggered exclusively by a public scandal.)

Indeed; policies without consequences for violating them might as well not be policies.

My sister and I used to complain that our parents were more strict than everyone else's. My mom talked to my friends' moms and said "they all have about the same rules we do." My reply was "but they get yelled at for five minutes tops when they break the rules, and we get grounded!"

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You guys buy premium car and then seal the interior components with tape here an there?!

So much worse than that, because they go online and simp for the company after doing it

People do the same for pretty much every product. It is weird.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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while unfortunate and unethical this is not surprising.

power asymmetry between provider and subscriber of any product or service will always be skewed towards provider. act accordingly to whatever degree is needed to ensure your safety and mental health. obviously there will be significant variance between persons in that regard.

i drive non-internet ice cars with comma openpilot. i’ve used every generation of their device. it also has a driver facing camera with full interior view.

i originally ran openpilot without internet except when updating, and would delete all camera data from the device before updating.

these days i leave toggled off upload driver camera, it defaults to off. i don’t use cellular, but i do let it connect to my home wifi for the brief moment before it gets unplugged and put in the glovebox.

my thinking has relaxed a bit because of the ubiquity of cameras around me. passengers in the car have 4 cameras, some very wide angle, typically being held at face level all the time. so do people in adjacent cars or on the sidewalk.

while you can cover your own cameras with easily removable opaque stickers, you can’t do that to the other cameras which inevitably surround you. audio recording is equally challenging to mitigate.

while this incident is serious and hopefully results in legal action and changed user behavior, this type of thing will only become more common.

the right approach is something like what snowden did in his early videos. be very aware that you are constantly surveiled, and go to extreme lengths to mitigate surveillance when necessary.

these days, when typing in our passwords or sharing intimacy, we all need blankets over our heads.

that said, public spaces are not a new concept. for better or worse the distinction between public and private space is changing. we will adapt and it will be fine.

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Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

> I absolutely do not trust startups to keep my data safe.

And you shouldn't.

You also shouldn't trust established companies to keep your data safe. The track record of that sort of thing is absolutely dire.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I'm so glad I've never heard of that service and have no idea what it is. Thanks very much for calling them out by name, BTW. Presumably someone from that company is reading this as we speak - and soon enough, will be reporting back to us that that employee has been identified, and of course, duly fired. Right, PayTM? (BTW - that's some "colleague" you have).

It's because you don't live in India. Not sure if this is still the case, but Paytm was the Venmo of India, and actually had more penetration than credit cards when I visited ~5-6 years ago.
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