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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by HPsquared »

smaudet wrote: post #299
mcronce wrote: post #164

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The other day my mom was at our house, parked next to me. She got in her car to leave at the same time I did. I pulled out my phone and put on some music - noting that it was weird that I needed to do anything at all, typically it just resumes playing as soon as it connects to Bluetooth. But I didn't get any audio. That's weird. Until she drove away and the music started playing through my phone's speaker a few secon…

Buy two of the same headphone, watch it not work because the software differentiates on the label not the MAC, and never asks you or auto labels the one you connected to... Not a BT problem so much as a bad software pattern. I solve this by naming my devices uniquely.

My old BMW had this pretty well solved, the Bluetooth device name was the last few digits of the VIN.

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Post by dillz »

One of the main reasons why I decided to buy a Hyundai (i30) last year is the good cockpit design. Physical buttons for the essential controls, touchscreen for nav, some extras and settings.

The UX in some car brands is so horrible I really struggle to unterstand how anyone would ever build/buy those atrocities.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by HPsquared »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #261
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

Extending this topic, I've also had my phone calls hijacked by my wife who has just started the engine and is about to drive out. Happened to her when I took the car too. It brings a great deal of confusion as to wtf happened to our phone calls. I always wondered why they couldn't prioritize devices close to the system over others

I think they just connect to whatever phone responds to the "ping" first.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by wongarsu »

judge2020 wrote: post #167
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #140

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And navigating a software menu (which changes at random times when it updates itself) just to open the fucking glove compartment. What was wrong with a physical latch?

It allows you to lock it with a pin. I don't want to carry keys.

Then put a physical button (with deep travel) on the glove compartment. If it isn't pin-protected it works exactly as a physical latch would, just with an extra redirection through some microcontroller. When you enable the pin lock, pressing the button opens the pin input on the screen.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by HPsquared »

pleb_nz wrote: post #333
rippercushions wrote: post #220

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I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

A voice command takes longer to execute than a press or flick of a finger IMO. It would be interesting to see what the cognitive loads are between a physical movement and a set of voice commands. I remember reading a study that found talking to another person in the vehicle was the equivalent to having had a certain amount of alcohol. I'm sure there's a difference between voice.commands and conversation, but interest…

Voice commands are good because you can keep both your eyes and hands on the task of driving without interruption.

Having an actual conversation with someone is much more distracting because you need to listen to them, preserve social norms, etc.

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Post by jwr »

So happy to see this. My VW ID.4 is extremely frustrating, because I never know if touching a control will do something or not. Many buttons are also touch-sensitive. Endless confusion, and additionally you can't "feel" for the button, you have to look and touch carefully, because otherwise touching might trigger something else.

Just a couple of days ago I wanted to feel the temperature of the air being blown into the cabin. I put my hand near the vent and inadvertently turned off the headlights and turned on rear windshield heating — just by touching. Took a while to set everything back to sane settings.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by iggldiggl »

kristopolous wrote: post #363
_AzMoo wrote: post #353

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Why wouldn't you want that? Do you not take calls in your car?

I consider calls private and it makes me uncomfortable

And it's funny how quite a few times people don't realise how their conversation is perfectly audible (and even quite intelligible) outside of the vehicle due to some combination of either bad soundproofing/speaker placement and/or excessive interior volume levels.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by vegardx »

illumin8 wrote: post #242
doctor_eval wrote: post #205

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actually the wipers have a physical one-shot button on the stalk.

Yeah, hilarious how people are complaining about wipers when they literally have a 1-shot button on the stalk to trigger a quick blast at any time. Hold down for 2 seconds to get wiper fluid/de-icer. Seems like Tesla actually has the safety feature you want.

This will trigger it to run once, in the slowest setting. And then you have to wait for this to finish before it updates to the speed you've set on the touchscreen. Tesla could have also solved this by just letting the user decide if it should be a single wipe or toggle a certain setting.

Being able to toggle a single wipe, with or without wiper fluids is also something every single car I've ever operated has had. In addition to be able to control it from the stalk.

Not everything has to be reinvented. They walked back a little on the steering yoke, but for some reason they still remove the stalks and have touch buttons on the steering wheel. The one thing that everyone with the yoke categorically hated.

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Post by pkolaczk »

amelius wrote: post #356
pkolaczk wrote: post #291

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Antennas are not amplifiers. As long as the antenna is correctly tuned to the impedance of the transmitter output stage, it will radiate most of the power of the transmitter, but cannot exceed 100% (it is a passive element, and exceeding 100% would break the laws of conservation of energy). In this case the size of the antenna does not affect the total power emitted and there will be no range gains from using a bigge…

Of course a bigger antenna can pick up more power. Just imagine placing two antennas instead of one. Each one receives a certain amount of power. Two will receive the sum of that power.

That doesn't work that way. If you sum the signals from two antennas, those signals would differ in phase depending on the direction of the incoming wave. For some directions they will add up, for others they will cancel out. That would change the directionality of such antenna system, which is exactly what I have written above - you gain somewhere, but lose elsewhere. Antenna gain is a function of only its directionality. A theoretical, ideally symmetric antenna has gain 0 dBi, regardless of its size.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

jwr wrote: post #376

So happy to see this. My VW ID.4 is extremely frustrating, because I never know if touching a control will do something or not. Many buttons are also touch-sensitive. Endless confusion, and additionally you can't "feel" for the button, you have to look and touch carefully, because otherwise touching might trigger something else. Just a couple of days ago I wanted to feel the temperature of the air being blown into th…

I use Miles car sharing a lot, and I now actively avoid the VW ID cars. The user experience is just so much better in the Polo, everything just works and is intuitive. In the ID, figuring out how to activate the hot air while driving when the windshield starts to go blind is no fun. Parallel parking sucks because you have very little feel for when the car is bumping against something vs just needing a bit more power to move. The interior looks like it was designed to be cheap above all. Adjusting the mirrors is a frustrating experience.
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