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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Internal code name was Slack360

Because when you saw it you walked 360 degrees away

360 degrees away? Why don't you try this and see how far you get. Look at something now turn a full circle (360 degrees) and start walking, become amazed that whatever you were looking at is now closer.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

Not true! I worked at what some would consider one of the top offices (Dropbox). They went remote and the polling was something like 70% support 30% oppose. There were some vocal supporters of in-office (mostly due to the perks like food) but they gave a generous stipend instead to satisfy most people.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

human connection to a workplace is why unions formed? I thought it was the hours, dangerous working conditions, and unlivable pay.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

That seems alluring. I wonder how large of a percentage of employees would, if prompted directly, opt to have company funds directed to have "ports" in major cities, if it was entangled with their salary. Would you choose an additional 600$ a month and remote only, or would you vote for permanent variable spaces in major cities for events and team building?

Not me. Show me the money.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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This is nothing compared to 2000, or even 2008. You might have a point about offshoring. With tech workers insisting they're just as productive working from home, you might as well hire people in countries with cheaper homes.

which is why America needs deflation, or deflationary pressures (such as devaluation of the dollar against foreign currencies expressed as local price inflation) .

Honest question: how can devaluing the dollar be deflationary?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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say what you will about the recession but since Microsoft picked it up, Github has taken an absolute shellacking. They couldnt figure out how to comply with US sanctions without alienating users, the ICE contract went over like a lead balloon, and the 2014 harassment case didnt help either but the most damning indictment is the uptime and performance. https://www.githubstatus.com/history just this year there have bee…

Considering most of the new offerings are hosted on Azure, it makes sense they go down every time Azure does.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

That seems alluring. I wonder how large of a percentage of employees would, if prompted directly, opt to have company funds directed to have "ports" in major cities, if it was entangled with their salary. Would you choose an additional 600$ a month and remote only, or would you vote for permanent variable spaces in major cities for events and team building?

As someone who goes in almost every day (I live close to my office and I enjoy getting out of the apartment). I wouldn't give up $600/mo for this, because management will never use that money for team events and travel. My team is spread out all across the country and we were told quarterly travel is no issue to all meetup in one of the cities that have an office. That went right out the door as soon as the economy went down. However, I can promise you that you wouldn't see that $600/mo back when you didn't get to travel.

I think this will be the new version of "free lunch" that tech companies offer. Come work for X, we pay for quarterly travel to meetup with your remote coworkers!

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit

I wonder why they are not talking about the elephant in the room, the AWS spend. Cut back on that and these layoffs probably aren't necessary. The problem is the sheer size of GitHub data and the unreliability of Azure. There is an entire datacenter that is unused because data locality severely limits performance.

Are they using both AWS and Azure?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

Having recently spent a few weeks in large, quite nice, but nearly empty offices (because I wanted to work in office for a change, but most of my cow orkers had other plans), I realized that holding on to oversized offices can backfire, because as nice as the space is, it felt somewhat demoralizing after a while to be nearly alone in such a vast building.
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