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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by omega3 »

lenova wrote: post #300

I'd like to be a counterpoint for the Stadia bashing here: I'm not much of a gamer, but I've always been interested in playing Red Dead Redemption 2. However, I neither had a console nor a PC with a decent enough graphics card. This spring, I picked up a Google TV with Chromecast, and realized I could pair any bluetooth device with it. I bought a cheapo PS4-like controller off of Amazon, saw that RDR2 was on sale on…

I've tried to find a flaw with this argument and admittedly it's pretty hard. As long as you accept to pay a above the market price for the game and you don't care about retaining ownership then it somehow makes sense.

I'm guessing this value proposition is what made it unsustainable for Google.

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Post by LadyCailin »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #237
gambiting wrote: post #212

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>>I don't see much substantial difference between these two scenarios. In one you paid for the product, in other you didn't. I'd think that's a pretty substantial difference?

But the product you're using isn't the one you bought.

They're completely fungible, and the "damage" to the manufacturer, even a potentially contrived "piracy is theft" argument doesn't hold up. You already bought the game, the developer got paid as much as they would have if the service stayed up. Just because the service provider shuts down doesn't change those facts.

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Post by intrasight »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #15

"there'd be no license transfer of any sort, which means that any purchases made on Stadia would effectively be nullified as the service closes down." It lasted less than three years and will leave players with nothing to show. This is what people were predicting when Stadia lauched and part of the reason why it had poor adoption.

It's "netflix for games". I am baffled that anyone would "purchase" anything on a streaming platform.

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Post by vorpalhex »

tokai wrote: post #142
delecti wrote: post #98

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Many/most Steam games use Steam servers to authenticate ownership. It's a store, but it's also a DRM provider. Many games would require cracking to keep working.

>most Steam games use Steam servers to authenticate ownership Not true. Maybe if you mainly play ubisoft tiles.

You can test this. Delete steam, restart your computer and launch a title.

You'll get a message about steam.dll missing or being unable to authenticate.

You can also sign out of steam, unplug from the internet and try to launch - and again, you won't be able to except this time steam will launch and tell you to login.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

Ken_At_EM wrote: post #24
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #15

"there'd be no license transfer of any sort, which means that any purchases made on Stadia would effectively be nullified as the service closes down." It lasted less than three years and will leave players with nothing to show. This is what people were predicting when Stadia lauched and part of the reason why it had poor adoption.

It is highly unethical to take away copies of the game that players had to pay full price for. Stadia owes them a retail copy of the games they purchased.

Not your disc, not your game.

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Post by wccrawford »

fleddr wrote: post #356

False rumor or not, Stadia has very little market fit. It's no solution for budget gamers. You still need to pay for the services, the individual games and need to have an excellent network connection to make it usable. It's not exactly a solution for the "poor". It's not really a solution for most casual/infrequent gamers either. Most high-end games are not casual games, they require a time investment. Plus, in this…

You only need to pay for the games (at full price because there's never a sale!) and your internet connection. You can play at 1080p for free. You need to subscribe to Stadia for 4k and some free games.

In the end, I agree with you, it's just not quite as bad as you painted it.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #365
lelandfe wrote: post #298

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> Q: If the Stadia service is discontinued, do we know what (if anything) will happen with game purchases? > Andrey Doronichev, then Stadia Director of Product: > We get this a lot. I hear you. Moving to the cloud is scary. I felt the same way when music was transitioning from files to streaming. I still have all my old CDs in the garage… although it's hard to find a CD player these days :) > The same happened to Mov…

> The same happened to Movies and Photos and my Docs and other files… And it’s great When I think about it, my family still has photographs from 70 years ago sitting around in family albums. Whereas I now struggle to find pictures I took 7 years ago.

Right but that's partially technology and partially habits.

My wife literally has track of zero printed / film photographs she ever took. She's got zero clue where they might be. Not even "shoe box somewhere" :->

Whereas, I have all my photos of last 20 years (since I first took a digital shot) chronologically sorted in folders by year then event (e.g. "Photos/2022/HalifaxTrip2022") on my NAS. It's barely any effort to organize in that way (no fancy tagging or sorting, just year and event, or generic yearly photos /photos/2022/2022_Photos as catchall), yet Typically it takes me seconds to minutes to find some obscure photo somebody remembers or wants, and near instantly for big events like trips, birthdays etc.

It's all about how much one treasures those photos / how obsessive compulsive one is :-). There's certainly ways to manage digital photo libraries, whether manually like I do, or automagically like Apple or Google do.

(we also print albums through Costco of fun trips etc. Nothing about digital prevents that)

To be fair though, When it comes to discussion about cloud and gaming though, it's an utterly disingenuous comparison. I fully and permanently own and control my digital photos in an universal format and can switch and back them up from provider to provider seamlessly. This is empathically triply not the case for stadia games.

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Post by barbazoo »

MauranKilom wrote: post #218
xxs wrote: post #208

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you can buy a decent system that runs the games better than stadia under $1k. you need 6600xt ($330), 16MB ram ($50), virtually any cpu ($150), motherboard $120, SSD - $80. That leaves you >250 for case, keyboard and mouse.

> 16MB ram ($50) An amusing typo :)

No one would ever need that much RAM.

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Post by bushbaba »

staticassertion wrote: post #246
srmarm wrote: post #214

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If google were going out of business I'd agree with you, but they're not. As a business they have plenty of money. What they're (possibly) doing is shutting this service to save some money. I suspect they'll refund or at least credit the relatively small number of people who purchased games on the service. It was always an odd setup to sell something for a fixed fee that potentially has an endless cost to deliver. Go…

I doubt they'll credit anyone. Why would they? You purchased a license to play a game through their service. Their service is no longer there. I haven't gone through any terms of service for Stadia but I can't imagine that they aren't covered for this.

How many game sales did stadia even have. If it’s less than 100m usd just issue full refunds for all game purchases.

Might sound crazy but the 100m would be more effective to the brand than spending 100m on marketing.

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