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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by 01100011 »

ineedasername wrote: post #70

I'm trying to hire for a position right now and it has dragged on for months for two reasons: 1) WFH is now limited to 1 day per week, and a 3 month probationary period where new hires don't even get that. 2) Salary. It's still a job seeker's market and my workplace is not keeping pace. It's spec'ed for 3 years of experience but salary is about the median for a new graduate w/o professional experience. I'm happy to t…

This may change soon. Meta and Netflix reportedly have hiring freezes in place now. Other companies are cutting staff. The later half of 2022 may bring significant changes to the job market(along with many other things).

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by maleldil »

micro_cam wrote: post #347
holografix wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s to do with everyone getting along and working well as professional colleagues but not as a team . There’s little camaraderie though or sense of shared ownership. interactions are more transactional, deliberate, thought out. People maximise what’s best for their OKRs only. If this months it’s John on zoom or Jeff and if Mary was replaced with Sue, does it really matter? There’s a reason team events and of…

I believe this is a problem with OKRs more then with remote work. It is too easy to game the OKR process by choosing easy but showy OKRs, doing the bare minimum and declaring victory. I've been remote for 10 years and before that worked on a bunch of distributed research teams and it is perfectly possible to have a highly functioning distributed/remote team that really takes ownership. I mean look at open source proj…

> It is too easy to game the OKR process by choosing easy but showy OKRs, doing the bare minimum and declaring victory.

This isn't hard to fix; it only requires upper management to recognise the issue. If a goal is easy to reach, it's a bad goal.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by hiptobecubic »

mgraczyk wrote: post #60
qbasic_forever wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

Until you want something different from those who wield power in the union. At least I can quit my job and work for a different company. In heavily unionized industries, you can't escape.

[Citation needed]

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by hiptobecubic »

closeparen wrote: post #155
qbasic_forever wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

I would love a union to protect me from nasty working conditions, like remote meetings.

They are much better than in person meetings. I can make lunch and fold laundry.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by dymk »

xvector wrote: post #346
subpixel wrote: post #42

I told Apple I wasn’t interested in interviewing for a non-remote role based on their NYC office. I’m not an engineer who can work anywhere I want. And I’m confident that working at Apple would have an incredible positive effect on my career. Still not worth it. I’d rather find a local job outside of tech than get back on the office space hamster wheel.

Apple Park is the only hamster wheel I'd remotely consider returning to

It’ll get boring after a year

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by dymk »

rrggrr wrote: post #144

WFH is screwing young workers by eliminating the mentorship, learning by osmosis and relationship-building that has propelled many knowledge-based careers. If Goodfellow were truly a good fellow, he would recognize the higher purpose.

This is sarcasm, right? I honestly can’t tell

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by babl-yc »

otterley wrote: post #127
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #28

Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…

It takes years to design and ship new silicon. For all we know, the M1 was taped out just before COVID hit and people started working from home.

Yeah, the M1 mac is not a strong example. They began _shipping_ in Nov 2020, so I bet the design was finalized or close to it before the March shutdowns in the Bay Area began.

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Post by maleldil »

holografix wrote: post #289
sodapopcan wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on my second highly-collaborative, fully remote team and I'm always learning a lot and challenged. You're "teacher's pets behind zoom calls" example is very oddly specific and not a thing I've encountered.

I think it’s to do with everyone getting along and working well as professional colleagues but not as a team . There’s little camaraderie though or sense of shared ownership. interactions are more transactional, deliberate, thought out. People maximise what’s best for their OKRs only. If this months it’s John on zoom or Jeff and if Mary was replaced with Sue, does it really matter? There’s a reason team events and of…

Is this a bad thing? I understand that it might be for some people, but others like me think that's great. I don't work to make friends; I do it make money and build something interesting in the process. The fact that remote work allows me to minimise social interactions while still being effective is great.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by dymk »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #277

There are many reasons why someone might resign four years after joining. [Hint: RSU grants vest over 4 years.]

The director of machine learning at Apple doesn’t make decisions off of a four year vesting schedule. He’s not an L6.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by bricemo »

ripper1138 wrote: post #120
sys_64738 wrote: post #117

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It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag employees back to their cubes.

He’s absolutely not a visionary.

I think inventing Generative Adversarial Networks, which enable everything from Alexa to GPT-3 to DALL-E to thousands of other models we use today, is pretty visionary to the field of ML.

I’m sure you have some nitpick but I don’t think it matters

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