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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by worik »

stavros wrote: post #353
jeffbee wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty normal, at least for the last few decades of American life. There is not a major natural cause of death for people 18-65. They die of suicide, accidental overdoses, and car crashes.

When we say "overdoses", doesn't it sound like the person's fault, when it was probably that they were sold a poisoned/cut batch? I wonder how many "overdoses" would have been avoided if you could buy drugs at a pharmacy.

Almost all, if there were some sensible regulation.

People do not die from smoking opium, much. But die a lot from popping pills.

Concentrated synthetic opioids are deadly.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by daenz »

542458 wrote: post #361
daenz wrote: post #237

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer... 21 in 2021 3 in 2020 3 in 2019 4 in 2018 7 in 2017 8 in 2016 9 in 2015 5 in 2014 10 in 2013 8 in 2012 3 in 2011 9 in 2010 Something is different about 2021. I'm not a data analyst, but maybe somebody can quantify how 2021 is an outlier.

That’s not a complete list for any year, so comparisons of counts is meaningless - again, lots of room for biases to creep in here.

>comparisons of counts is meaningless

Even if the data is biased, it's still useful when you account for the biases. What are you proposing is the bias for 2021?

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by worik »

dillondoyle wrote: post #298
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57

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Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

And it's not just opiate users. People buying coke & 'molly' are overdosing too from fent and analogues too. Why in the world would a dealer put fent into coke. I guess a speedball feels great but the average weekend partier doing a bump or a pill are not looking to walk that death tightrope. Just sad all around and we still have a long way to go with stigma and science based treatment. If you happen to be in that sc…

A very powerful argument for legalising forms of those drugs for recreational use.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by LorenPechtel »

welcomealex wrote: post #156
encoderer wrote: post #138

> Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.” Do we have an actuarial crisis on our hands? We’ve seen the same thing in finance, disaster preparedness and other unrelated industries. We have “once in 200 years” events happening it seems far more often than once in 200 years. And how does it…

I'm not sure about the case at hand here, but one reason for hearing about these events more often than once every 200 years might be because they are uncorrelated. E.g. a "once in 200 years drought" in California might happen at the same time as a "once in 200 years over-mortality event" in Indiana. News would tend to report on these, so we see many of these even though they are rare.

Yup. There are a *lot* of events to have a 1 in 200 chance of. Each is a separate chance, the odds add up.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by the_optimist »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #350
the_optimist wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others point out here, this is a literary construction flagging that in his specific context, he is not referencing old people. He is making the very point that he is above accused of not making. Just as if I were to chop the quote in your sentence “this part may have been added by a reporter” (which is not a self-reference to your own quote possibly having been edited by a reporter), the context is important. The…

It is a literary construction that makes the sentence contain incorrect information. A correct statement would have not mentioned elderly people at all because they are not included in the data: "There has been an increase in deaths of working age 18-64 year olds." Full stop. No need to mention the elderly.

Sure. Is this true: (WHERE 18 <= age <= 64) is the same as (WHERE 18 <= age <= 64 AND NOT 64 < AGE) ? This is what he's saying. It's emphatic, not pedantic to make such a point.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #231

This examination of pfizer's own vaccine safety study, claims that it shows an increase in all risk mortality. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/th...

Just from the name I strongly suspect it's one of the disinformation spreaders.

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Post by stavros »

prirun wrote: post #370
stavros wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we say "overdoses", doesn't it sound like the person's fault, when it was probably that they were sold a poisoned/cut batch? I wonder how many "overdoses" would have been avoided if you could buy drugs at a pharmacy.

A lot of times an overdose occurs if a person got clean for a while then went back to using. They tend to start using at their previous levels even though their body is no longer used to that level, so it's a sudden jolt that kills them. So I've read - I have zero experience with drugs, luckily.

Yeah, I've read that too, but I have no idea which is more frequent. I'd assume the tainted drugs are more frequent, just because getting tainted product is more frequent than getting clean and relapsing, but I don't know.

I'll definitely recommend LSD or mushrooms, though. They are lots of fun.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

whiddershins wrote: post #111

I think these numbers are so extreme as to invite skepticism. Too often (omicron is 72% of cases) unbelievable numbers are, in fact, not to be believed.

The 72% figure was a computer prediction somehow gone wrong, I don't know the details of what went wrong.

However, it's obvious Omicron is absolutely exploding--the testing system is completely swamped at this point so we don't know the real rate. That's enough to say that by now the 72% likely is right.

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Post by yucky »

hervature wrote: post #186

My hypothesis is that this is caused from diabetes. I first learned about this when my friend was diagnosed with diabetes at the beginning of the pandemic. He said that Stanford was investigating a potential connection. Now there is a bit more literature [1]. If you go to [2] and select "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Subgroup" and then "Other select causes" from the dropdown, you will see that diabetes jumped up a…

Interestingly enough, over 40% of all COVID deaths are diabetics. - https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/diabetics-make-up-40-of-covid-...

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

halfjoking wrote: post #301
BillyTheKing wrote: post #80

I feel like article like this one are commonly used by the anti-vaccine community. They point to those ominous, rising death numbers and understand them as evidence for the dangers of mRNA vaccines. It would therefore (among other reasons) be helpful to understand where exactly that rise in numbers comes from, is it vaccines (which I don't think, else we'd be seeing a similar spike in, say, Europe)? Or is it being ca…

You’re right - I’m anti-vaxx when it comes to mRNA vaccines and I often link to mainstream articles like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-thousands-more-usual-dyi... Mainstream articles are biased with the spin of the situation but the facts are there. It goes over some causes of deaths - mostly heart/clotting issues, exactly what you’d expect from the vaxx. That’s why we call it the “clot-shot” In England p…

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