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Omicron, which is incredibly infectious, came along after the vaccines did, ergo the infection rate went up after the vaccines were introduced. The two factors have nothing to do with each other though.
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No, they can believe what they want as far as I’m concerned. Completely physically excluding them from society is enough. If they want to ‘protect’ themselves from the vaccine they have that right, absolutely, but the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them.
> the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them How does your right to protect yourself lead to a right to exclude someone else from society?
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There is no science if doubts aren’t allowed.
Slight change: There is no science if reasonable doubts aren't allowed. The thing with this pandemic is, that the time where you could have a reasonable doubt in the vaccines are over for a while now. We vaccinated half of earths population. If there would have been horrible side effects they would have shown. The more data we gather the clearer the picture becomes and the less reasonable certain doubts become. The t…
I know several mothers squeamish on risking their children to continual rolling of the dice w.r.t the mRNA vector vaccines. Also, I can unequivocally state that no other vaccine have I ever seen that has to be continually boosted to maintain it's efficacy, which sounds to me like a deficiency in memory cell formation. The bigger issue there, is that in spite of that being an interesting quirk of these vaccines to do research on, no one will, because having "this year's model" of vaccine is a jackpot to Pharmaceutical companies. Dat Annual Recurring Revenue producing nothing but upsides for them.
-New repeatably, and reliably recurring business -Relaxed or increasingly streamlined approval processes to be lobbied for the next time they want to sneak something through
And the downsides being safely (to them) externalizable
-increased attrition of horseshoe crab populations and concomitant environmental knock-on effects -accumulating social costs in the damage done by implementing the infrastructure for implementing things like vaccine passports, which can be adapted to non-public health use cases.
I mean, I get where you're coming from. However, I've researched the supply chains, and the stuff that is relied upon for QC'ing this stuff (horseshoe crab blood) is not inexhaustible, and the incentives we're manufacturing are not at all ideal. Just because you've stopped analyzing the problem at the physiological effects on the patient does not mean there isn't reason for concern. Everything is interconnected.
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Virtually everyone I know voted for Biden, doesn't hate black people or women, and is tired of covid measures. The virus isn't going anywhere, we're all vaccinated, it's time to move on. Even if the 10-20% of the population that isn't vaccinated gets vaccinated it would not make the virus go away. There is a optimal amount of risk like there is an optimal amount of dirt in my home. Trudeau's rhetoric is shocking. Bid…
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Yes and this type of doublespeak is coming from the top down in many countries. It’s alarming because “they don’t believe in science” has become a divisive weapon that hand waves away all scientific nuance. The vast majority of young healthy people are completely asymptomatic, they don’t need a vaccine, nor would it be a wise investment of limited doses. Also, previous infection confers protection that is at least as…
> The vast majority of young healthy people are completely asymptomatic, they don’t need a vaccine, nor would it be a wise investment of limited doses. Of course they need a vaccine. Just because you don't have symptoms does not mean (a) that you're not carrying it, and (b) can't infect someone who may not be as healthy as you. Further it's difficult to predict ahead of time how an individual will react to being infe…
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Virtually everyone I know voted for Biden, doesn't hate black people or women, and is tired of covid measures. The virus isn't going anywhere, we're all vaccinated, it's time to move on. Even if the 10-20% of the population that isn't vaccinated gets vaccinated it would not make the virus go away. There is a optimal amount of risk like there is an optimal amount of dirt in my home. Trudeau's rhetoric is shocking. Bid…
Okay? But this isn’t about your liberal vaccinated friends. This is about people who aren’t vaccinated…
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No, it is very much relevant. And, systematic denial of employment, education, access to government services etc to a group based on a medical condition very much is apartheid. It is in poor taste to deny it, but I guess the apologists in South Africa were legalistically talking about “nature of the government’s power” too.
As it happens I am a naturalized South African - married to a black woman who had to endure apartheid. I recited your argument to her and I am quoting her response in saying… “you are a f-ing idiot - I had no choice in being born black and I had no way of becoming white to avoid the consequences of apartheid. The unvaccinated have a choice - they are just choosing not to exercise it.” You have falsely equated the two…
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As it happens I am a naturalized South African - married to a black woman who had to endure apartheid. I recited your argument to her and I am quoting her response in saying… “you are a f-ing idiot - I had no choice in being born black and I had no way of becoming white to avoid the consequences of apartheid. The unvaccinated have a choice - they are just choosing not to exercise it.” You have falsely equated the two…
If discrimination is only wrong because of lack of choice of the discriminated trait, then why is it wrong to discriminate based on people's religion? Or would you say that it isn't?
Human rights are a religion - they don’t exist. We made them up so we can coexist; and so that we can improve the quality of our lives.
What makes discrimination wrong is that it diminishes the well-being of the discriminated against.
So you are welcome to insist that your well-being is being diminished by vaccine mandates but it would be a peculiar argument since most people are choosing to vaccinate because it improves their well-being.
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I was sick with 101.5F for a week, excruciating headaches, confirmed by a positive PCR after Moderna vaccination. My girlfriend as well, two months after the second dose. How much higher would our viral load be without Moderna?
It’s hard to say, maybe the vaccine didn’t work on you. Or maybe it saved yours and your girlfriend’s life. It’s hard to say on a case-by-case basis which is why we depend on population-level data.
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This argument is scientifically (which you wanted) void: since you are not making a comparison with a low vaccination country, it does not make any sense. Try harder. I'll give you an example: Russia with relatively low vaccination rates has close to the highest number of excess deaths per capita. Portugal you mentioned is not even close. > are absolutely no 2 countries like each other fortunately there are like 200+…
> You just dismissed my first link based on an irrelevant claim that countries with high vaccination rates still have outbreaks (duh). you mentioned the first step is hindered. Which is completely not proven by the fact that countries with high vaccination rates should effectively have a R trending towards zero if the vaccines even worked half as well as they should. Instead you see major outbreaks which completely c…
And you just made a new claim with 0 backing in numbers.
I don't know if you are arguing in good faith here, but definitely in low quality. Show us the numbers supporting your point. You just implied R is not affected by vaccination status, but you have provided 1 data to back this.
Whereas I provided a cumulative of thousands of cases, that directly support my point.