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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta. Relevant Nature article (October 5, 2021). However, good job on the masks part, please keep wearing them! :-) [1]…

> they aren't preventing the spread.

> less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta

I don't see these as contradictory. Vaccines are more effective against transmissions, yet vaccines don't slow down transmissions in a significative way. As per the article:

> Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus.

> A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time.

Fully agree on the mask though. Plus social distancing, if possible.

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Less likely != prevent

They are helping to prevent. You are truly grasping at straws here.

> Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

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YouTube's bar for "medical misinfo" ladies and gentlemen...

What is the substance of your argument: that the "pandemic" is not a medical matter, or that "ain't real" is not misinfo?

The virus is real. "The pandemic" in popular culture includes both the actual virus and the response to it. "Ain't real" is also an incredibly interpret-able phrase. If somebody said to me "homosexuality isn't real" - I wouldn't think they meant nobody had ever had gay sex - I'd have to guess at their meaning, but it'd probably come out to something like "sexual preference isn't innate". Similarly, if somebody were to say to me that the pandemic wasn't real, I would understand that the concept they were trying to express is probably closer to the idea that the severity of government intervention or perhaps the intensity of media hype was unwarranted - not that the virus didn't exist. Whether or not the responses were appropriately sized aren't "medical" questions - they are political / sociological questions.

I'd prefer that, particularly in music, which has a rich history of slang, multiple meanings, and political commentary, we lean in the direction of permitting speech, to avoid censoring political commentary. In this particular case, when the chorus and title "Let's go Brandon" are CLEARLY political commentary, the chance that the work as a whole is political commentary (as opposed to "medical information") is further increased.

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> The vaccination has been thoroughly shown to work How has this been shown? Countries with a high vaccination rate don't have a lower infection rate than other countries: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 And after 3 months of being fully vaccinated, whatever level of immunity you had is completely gone by then: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y > Unfortunately, the vaccin…

In comparative studies of populations it has been shown to still be substantially effective at preventing infection even after antibodies wane.

You are trying to make a statement about a counterfactual what if ___ country didn't vaccinate the imputation being that the vaccines aren't effective because 2 different countries with dozens of confounding factors doesn't show a high enough correlation.

It is a remarkable conclusion to suppose that studying individuals in the same society fewer got infected if they were vaccinated because of comparison between different societies.

It would be as if we proved that people didn't smoke in the USA got lung cancer far less than smokers but you sprung up with a study that showed that rates of smoking between societies wasn't highly correlated with lung cancer ergo smoking didn't cause lung cancer. One would logically suppose that your study didn't prove what you think it proved.

At limit you are supposing that if we got 100% vaccinated somehow we would see as much covid spread despite everyone having antibodies which are known to decrease chance of infection and extent of spread ergo effecting the time one remains infectious and how many virions are available to be spread.

Beware of anyone who doesn't feel the need to disprove that raindrops fall in buckets who nevertheless has proven that storms can't cause floods.

More importantly.

The MRNA vaccinations are 95% effective at keeping you out of the hospital or the grave.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e1.htm

This is even more important than decreasing spread.

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> The vaccine significantly slows ths spread Based on what data do you come to that conclusion? The vaccination rate of a country is not correlated with its covid infection rate: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 And after 3 months of being fully vaccinated, people are just as likely to spread the virus as unvaccinated people: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y From the arti…

Thank you for the links. I followed them and came to a different conclusion: 1) "The vaccination rate of a country is not correlated with its covid infection rate". From the article: "The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population ful…

"Your quote shows that the AstraZeneca vaccine loses effectiveness over time. However, the chance of an unvaccinated person passing on the virus is 67%, which is significantly higher than the 58% for a person who received the Pfizer vaccine."

The word "significantly" has a specific statistical meaning. The paper discussed on the Nature article implies it is not a statistically significant difference between 67% and 58% (likely accounting for covariance and measurement error).

Unless you have a different source showing there is statistical significance between those two results?

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I thought it was brilliant wokeness by the NBC reporter to translate "F* Joe Biden" chant to say "Let's Go Brandon". The subsequent adoption of "Let's Go Brandon" as a code for what people really want to say is hilarious and has become a major meme across America. For YouTube to deny this hilarious turn of events is happening is downright laughable. Clearly YouTube (and Facebook) are in deeply in bed with the Whitehouse, which should make everyone very concerned.

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> The vaccination has been thoroughly shown to work How has this been shown? Countries with a high vaccination rate don't have a lower infection rate than other countries: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 And after 3 months of being fully vaccinated, whatever level of immunity you had is completely gone by then: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y > Unfortunately, the vaccin…

So the first link is not a study. There isn't an examination or even a reference of studies that provide evidence to the contrary. Not to say that the article can be dismissed fully but keep in mind it's not painting a full picture. The second link is about a study that looks at transmission of the Delta variant from a breakthrough infection. It did not look into wether the chances of getting infected after vaccinati…

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller, Gab TV Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Someone has already linked to it being posted on Gab. What people are really upset about is that they can't use Youtube's technological prowess, audience reach and outlet legitimacy to promote their ideas. When someone sees:

"You can't find it on Youtube, but it's hosted on Gab",

The listener draws enough conclusions about the media and it's intended audience for it to be dead on arrival.

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Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected…

That’s misinformation.

Antibody drop off is supposed to happen, it’s different than reduced vaccine effectiveness. Childhood vaccination for measles for example provides near lifetime protection via the adaptive immune systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_B_cell Which cuts days from how quickly the body can respond to infections.

When people of similar age and health with and without vaccination die at similar rates then you can say their ineffective. There is a short term boost from antibodies after an infection or vaccination, but they don’t prevent infection they just reduce infections to the point where we don’t notice.

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> Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ If I recall correctly, the Biden administration and the CDC both made public statements telling everyone that they would no longer need to continue wearing masks once they were vaccinated.

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The study says exactly what the GP wrote and that you discounted. Read the first sentence of the Findings section.

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days."

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