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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by OneEyedRobot »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322
DaftDank wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

I'd say that the pressure for fission becomes higher as the scope of federal government increases. Using spending as an approximation for control:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYONGDA188S

WWII being an outlier of course. I'd like to have the numbers for the 19th C.

There was a time when a state/county/municipality could largely ignore central government diktat. With centralization there'll be a tendency for a single dominant group to get into everyone's business more and more. This can happen via statute, spending, or even lack of law enforcement in desired behaviors.

..and of course it tends to split urban vs. rural, Anglosphere vs. everyone else. The wish or need for central control varies quite a lot between the groups.

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Post by cheeseomlit »

steverb wrote: post #338
ctrlp wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

To trot out an old saw: "Your rights end and the tip of my nose." You do not have a Deity-given right to infect other people with disease.

By that same logic, shouldn't your rights end at the epidermis on my arm? Don't I have a right to be secure in my person, as that phrase implies? That interpretation makes more sense to me than asserting the right to be exempt from natural biological functions like disease.

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Post by julianlam »

the-dude wrote: post #167
NetOpWibby wrote: post #137

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#America

What makes you think it is different in other countries?

Canada achieved a high vaccination rate without resorting to lotteries (in most provinces, anyway), or mandates (until this month).

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Post by 1shooner »

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

> our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown

Some of our ancestors were almost completely wiped out from novel disease brought by those that crossed the oceans. They were probably also terrified.

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Post by steverb »

tolmasky wrote: post #350

The more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the right strategy would have been to make the vaccines initially cost $35,000 a dose, so that the outcry would have been that the Illuminati was making it impossible for the common man to get access to these life-saving drugs. Then, after months of argumentation, people could have had the victory of having the vaccines "liberated" and offered for free, such that gett…

That is evil and brilliant and I love it.

We should go into business together. :-)

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Post by CabSauce »

literallyaduck wrote: post #339

Tomorrow, we should mandate a minimum amount of exercise for executive branch employees, and for businesses with 100 employees or show BMI records.

Many health insurance plans already do this. And being fat isn't contagious. Although it is more expensive, hence the insurance differentials.

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Post by thebooktocome »

m12k wrote: post #344
DaftDank wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

There's always been two Americas, but there's been a balkanization in recent years. Until a handful of years ago, I had never heard of a president that didn't at least pay lip service to the idea of unity, of serving all Americans and not just those that voted for him. Sure, division has long been a tactics to get elected, but I don't think I've seen it praised as an actual goal before by a leading political figure f…

Nixon was more than a handful of years ago.

The Southern strategy was explicitly about creating such a stubbornly supportive majority in the electoral college that they could ignore the rest of the country.

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Post by camillomiller »

I was commenting to a critical comment that was, in my opinion, controversial but acceptable. I don't know who flagged it and why, and it's now disappeared.

Please, please, please: I'm the most provax person out there, but limiting the contrary voices won't lead this conversation anywhere constructive.

The comment was saying the the policies against Covid so far were aimed at the distruction of normal.

Here's what I would have replied:

I can see part of your point. But how do we deal with the fact that the resistance to what you call "the destruction of normal" is mostly made by people that refuse science, fall victim to conspiracy theory, and have in general a tendency to apply magical thinking to policy making?

I'm fully vaccinated and highly critical of how the crisis was handled. But here in Germany the no-vaxxers and the anti-maskers are a crowd of strongly individualistic people that span from tree-hugging spiritual healers to neonazis. There is no logical thinking in their thesis, and every critique is based on the rebuttal of statistics, numbers, and data-based decision making.

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Post by zhdc1 »

refurb wrote: post #197

Contrast this with Germany. Employers are asking for permission to confirm employee vaccine status and the govt is saying “no, you can’t do that”. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-bosses-cant-ask-about-employee...

And yet, you can't get into a restaurant or cafe in Germany without a valid COVID-19 vaccination certificate or a negative test.

The same is true for most EU member states.

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Post by notacoward »

bsima wrote: post #233
devb wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Acquired immunity fades with time - You aren't required to get the vaccine, you can undergo weekly testing instead

Natural immunity is stronger than artificial immunity https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Already refuted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28480736

Unlike yours, the study linked last in that comment has been peer reviewed.

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