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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by bhupy »

jonfw wrote: post #341
multiplegeorges wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an opt out. You might not like the opt out, but it remains a choice. You don't have to use Apple's platform or services. Taxes imposed by a government are compulsory. Words still have meaning and using tax to refer to Apple's fees is completely incorrect.

I can not do business in the US, or I can not do business with iPhone users. My only 'opt out' is to quit doing business in their market. I continue to see similarities here

You're right that it's more of a difference in degree and not kind. That said, the difference in degree is so vast as to be consequential. It's trivially easy to switch phone platforms (in the last 7 years, I've flip flopped between Android and iOS twice). In contrast, it's extremely difficult and disruptive to uproot your life and move countries; and that also presupposes that the destination country is willing to accept you.

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Post by Karunamon »

nerbert wrote: post #109
fairity wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's TOS surrounding this change prevent any sort of content-gating of this sort. Infractions may result in removal from the app store.

I'd be curious to see whether apple has the balls to remove fb from the app store

Without a doubt. They nuked Fortnite from orbit, and had to be stopped by a judge from nuking Epic's developer cert, which would have killed any app using the unreal engine.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by segmondy »

alonsonic wrote: post #300
segmondy wrote: post #279

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Facebook has a lot of issues and we might applaud Apple on their push for "privacy" but we can't forget that Apple is no angel either.

Definition of looking at the glass half empty. Nothing is a zero sum game, we need to learn to reward good actions and punish bad ones. Here we need to support this decision by Apple instead of deviating attention to other issues. We will never get anything done if we always go back to the "but what about that..." mentality.

Nah, not a fan of Facebook, not a fan of Apple either with their closed system. This is how we cheered Google with their "don't be evil" mantra while they got evil. Who taught Facebook how to invade privacy? Google. Who taught Google about closed systems? Apple.

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Post by edmundsauto »

reaperducer wrote: post #334
SergeAx wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil advocating attempt: they obviously did a measure how much of their userbase will allow the app to serve personalized ads and how it will impact their revenue. Even if it is in a ballpark of 10%, it is still a ton of money and, as a commercial enterprise acting in the interests of its shareholders, FB should do it's best to avoid or reduce potential damage.

should do it's best to avoid or reduce potential damage. The way to reduce potential damage is to evolve, adapt, pivot, and diversify. Not to kick and scream. Facebook has enough money and enough smart people to do and be anything it wants. It chooses to be the neighborhood creep in the bushes watching your daughter through your windows.

Facebook is sufficiently loathed on HN that I would caution against using absurd emotion inducing analogies like “watching your daughter through your windows”. Not only is this needlessly gendered (would I not be upset by someone watching my son?), but it’s also a call to rally base and pure emotion. It almost feels as if you want to whip up a mob of digital citizens.

It is enough to highlight the policies and products of Facebook that you disapprove of.

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Post by ryandrake »

mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

Facebook is one of the worst, but to be fair, lots of software companies seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of consent. How many times have you been asked to install or turn on something you didn’t want, where the options are “Yes” and “Ask me later”? What happened to “No”? Why can’t software companies accept a no from the user and treat it respectfully? No means no, right?

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Post by worker767424 »

edoceo wrote: post #256
samstave wrote: post #200

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Given the fact that the 5 C-suite execs have escape hatches from their bullet proof offices to SUVs below, and the remainder of the 3,000 engineers are in an open space just tells you what those people value.

Really? Escape hatches? Edit: Ok. Maybe https://news.yahoo.com/mark-zuckerberg-reportedly-escape-hat...

Calling it now: for all the hate Zuckerberg gets now, he's going to be Bill Gates in 25 years, and they only people who won't trust him are the vaccine mind control nuts.

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Post by FabHK »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #349
sakis wrote: post #330

I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

I wonder what would happen if all partied just came clean. This isn't about privacy or user data, it's a disagreement over how revenue is shared. So rather than this sort of wording from the article: centers on the iPhone data of millions of people and whether companies should be able to track We be read something like this: Facebook and Google go to war with Apple over revenue sharing agreement .

Eh? Revenue is affected by this, no doubt (otherwise thefacebook.com wouldn't go to war), but of course this is also about privacy and user data. How can you deny that?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #349
sakis wrote: post #330

I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

I wonder what would happen if all partied just came clean. This isn't about privacy or user data, it's a disagreement over how revenue is shared. So rather than this sort of wording from the article: centers on the iPhone data of millions of people and whether companies should be able to track We be read something like this: Facebook and Google go to war with Apple over revenue sharing agreement .

You should provide some data to support a bold claim like Facebook and Google is sharing their revenue with Apple.

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Post by hyperbovine »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #37
mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

I can forgive them for fighting to try and save their business model. But I can’t forgive them for dragging Grace Jones into the fight.

If by "drag" you mean "pay a shitload of money for a single afternoon's work" then ... sure.

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Post by svachalek »

czbond wrote: post #125
fogihujy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally, I'd ignore any marketing touting new privacy features in iOS, but Facebook's response has convinced me this isn't just an empty gesture from Apple.

I wholly internalized that there was a real problem when I started taking my phone to other parts of the house, placing it in a drawer before returning and shutting the door to have an in person conversation with someone.

I've started using the mobile sites for companies like Facebook that I kind of need to use occasionally but really don't want their horrifying app on my phone.

It's kind of fascinating how hard they (not just Facebook) push you to use their "so much better" app even when their HTML version seems just as good if not better. It's just so much better for them. If you try the app and it's not better then you know what it's really about.

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