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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by xkeysc0re »

swebs wrote: post #361
xkeysc0re wrote: post #183

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And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

I'm not familiar enough with Twitter's UI to navigate it properly. Could you link the refutation?

There's several posts in this thread below mine with links to activities being planned on Parler, including a man who was arrested with weapons in DC

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Post by legostormtroopr »

meekmockmook wrote: post #233
101008 wrote: post #93

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By the other comments, it seems was true but Twtiter moderated it quickly. However, I remember when J.K. Rowling gave her opinion on transgender issues, RIP JK Rowling was trendin gtopic for hours, and she received a lot of hate and threats on Twitter. Not only that, a lot of people started replying to her tweets with dick pics, which was dangeours because she was in the middle of an activity with children (they coul…

I strongly disagree with Rowling's bizarre obsession but she faced months of death threats while Twitter looked the other way.

Death threats from the right people that’s the difference. Twitter supports those people, so they can stay.

That’s why this whole Parker debacle is hypocritical.

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Post by Normille »

brabel wrote: post #265
nostoc wrote: post #130

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Anticompetitive? Is parler competing with amazon in any ways, shape or form?

The whole claim by Parlor (read the linked complaint) is that AWS is doing this in coordination with Twitter to stop the flood of conservative people (including Trump himself, allegedly) moving from Twitter to Parlor after Twitter banned Trump (this is substantiated with links from media claiming that could happen and by the fact Parlor had become the most downloaded app on the AppStore after Twitter announced the Tr…

Parl-fucking-LER!

At least take the time to note the name of the company, before weighing in with your opinions.

[None of this confusion would arise, if you Yanks spelled 'Parlour' properly]

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Post by yes_no_maybe »

fishtoaster wrote: post #200

This complaint seems to include a ton of things like: - AWS was especially mean to us - AWS is hypocritical, look how bad twitter is - We were singled out for political reasons - This will kill us All of which might be true, but none of which is illegal. The main (only?) real legal complaint here seems to amount to "AWS banned us to prop up Twitter in an anticompetitive way that's illegal under antitrust laws." That…

The supposed breach of contract seems bigger to me.

> AWS is also breaching it contract with Parler, which requires AWS to provide Parler with a thirty-day notice before terminating service, rather than the less than thirty-hour notice AWS actually provided.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by yes_no_maybe »

wnevets wrote: post #52

I don't know if people trying to argue that twitter is just as bad as Parler are doing it out of ignorance of the issues or just bad faith. Parler isn't being dropped by private companies because a user said something mean on their service. They're being dropped by AWS, Apple, Google etc because they allow, even encourages its users to conspire to commit violence and assassinate public officials. The main reasons its…

> They're being dropped by AWS, Apple, Google etc because they allow, even encourages its users to conspire to commit violence and assassinate public officials.

How is Parler "encouraging its users to conspire to commit violence"?

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Post by tptacek »

Natsu wrote: post #330
tptacek wrote: post #312

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I don't know whether that's true or false but I also don't know why it matters. Absent a confidentiality clause AWS is free to publish whatever they want. Certainly, people routinely publish their private communications with AWS.

I may be misreading things, but it sounds to me like they published the list of things to remove and Parler removed them after notification, but they're using the publication to try to make it look like they were notified before they actually were. But this is a complaint, so I can't just assume that any of these things are actually true and that's why I want to reserve judgement until we hear how all the evidence pl…

I think we agree: the material timing information here "when did AWS alert Parler to violent material" and "when did Parler remove that violent material".

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

brabel wrote: post #265
nostoc wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anticompetitive? Is parler competing with amazon in any ways, shape or form?

The whole claim by Parlor (read the linked complaint) is that AWS is doing this in coordination with Twitter to stop the flood of conservative people (including Trump himself, allegedly) moving from Twitter to Parlor after Twitter banned Trump (this is substantiated with links from media claiming that could happen and by the fact Parlor had become the most downloaded app on the AppStore after Twitter announced the Tr…

> https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jun/27/aclu-assist-kkk-...

I imagine the legal argument will be based on AWS providing the services & hosting for Twitter. Which would be a clear and fair argument.

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Post by arminiusreturns »

walrus01 wrote: post #237
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

> Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". Glenn Greenwald also chose to make the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story the hill on which he wished to die upon, related to his resignation from the Intercept, so whatever credibility he had remaining has long since departed. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenwald...

Yep. Turn on anyone who doesn't support the narrative. So sad to see someone who has been so principled for so long on all the modern topics we should care about get viciously character assasinated so readily by people without a moments hesitancy. I have had my disagreements with GG, particularly in his naive taking on of PO for the money, but this refusal to acknowledge both his dedication to truth (which often makes him look contrarian) and how correct he has been on those topics just speaks volumes about how deeply ingrained the crazy is for those who decide he's persona-non-grata due to not supporting their favorite conspiracy theories.

The same kind of people now openly railing against GG are the same kind of people who will do everything they can to not acknowledge Ray McGovern because his professional and personal past make him a harder target on the topic. Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to see plenty of them try the same charater assasination on him, but it's an obvious marker of complete rejection of truth in favor of tribalisms.

Disgusting seeing so many turn on GG et al so quickly. Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Post by Natsu »

tptacek wrote: post #376
Natsu wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may be misreading things, but it sounds to me like they published the list of things to remove and Parler removed them after notification, but they're using the publication to try to make it look like they were notified before they actually were. But this is a complaint, so I can't just assume that any of these things are actually true and that's why I want to reserve judgement until we hear how all the evidence pl…

I think we agree: the material timing information here "when did AWS alert Parler to violent material" and "when did Parler remove that violent material".

Yes, I agree with that.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by yes_no_maybe »

gt565k wrote: post #313
revlolz wrote: post #277

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I have one question for you. At what point do you begin to question your ideology for it's intolerance, double standards, and moral inconsistencies? Have YOU learned nothing from history, ironically Hitler's rise to power, to even question the dogma being fed to you regarding racism and violence? I'm not saying you have to tolerate or even agree with your opposition. However, I'd challenge you to not partake in the p…

My man, the site (parler) is literally used by people who believe the lies that the election is stolen, who want to hang mike pence, who want to go to the capitol with guns and kill the elected representatives. It failed to moderate content that incites violence and was literally build to attract extremists who are on that platform to plot violent acts. There's a reason it got shut down by everyone. Get your head out…

> The site (parler) is literally used by people who believe the lies that the election is stolen, who want to hang mike pence, who want to go to the capitol with guns and kill the elected representatives.

Have you ever used twitter? I've routinely encountered examples just as bad if not worse there.

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