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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by techdragon »

ericbarrett wrote: post #324
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While what you say about bad actors is true, I just don't buy your argument. SV prides itself in solving "hard problems" (whether that's actually true is another issue entirely), so are you honestly saying that the issue with high chargeback rates or illegal content is too difficult to solve? I mean, SV can create advanced electric cars, launch rockets into space, serve millions of queries a second, but porn spam is…

Many have tried; there are a lot of bodies on those hills. Take chargebacks. Not only does the merchant who gets a chargeback lose the money, they're typically hit with a $20-$100 fee on top. It's very common and an old trick to use stolen credit cards, download all the premium content, and redistribute on your own site. Or maybe just because your spouse found the line item on your credit card and you're embarrassed.…

Chargeback is significantly an issue due to scummy business practices in use by enough of the websites. $1 trials that auto-renew at $100 per year and other such predatory credit card pricing tactics. There’s a significant percentage of the industry that is reliant on these tactics to survive and it results in the huge difference in credit card chargebacks compared to other industries.

That said this is a situation that is slowly improving thanks to competition. However this is likely going to be a stain on the porn industry for decades after the problem is mostly gone due to the way the financial industry does risk analysis.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by cbozeman »

Larrikin wrote: post #367
cbozeman wrote: post #330

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Okay, think about the person who goes into porn. Have you seen Hot Girls Wanted ? What was the average salary of female porn talent, annually, again? Less than $40,000 if I recall correctly? If even that much? It might have been $35,000. That's $17.50 an hour. That's a line worker at an injection molding plant making car parts. And that's a job that gets you health, dental, vision, life, short-term disability, long-t…

>>they wouldn't need to do porn. Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Why is working at an injection molding plant making car parts such a better job? Seems extremely boring in comparison. The only real argument to make for it…

> Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy.

Probably because we're biologically programmed to understand that's not the case?

It boils down to a simple, but true, undeniable - and apparently for a lot of people, unpleasant - maxim from biology - Sperm are cheap, eggs are expensive.

There's a reason that male birds evolved colorful plumage and in many cases, elaborate dance displays. There's a reason the males of hundreds of thousands of other species have evolved to impress females of their species.

You may not like it. You may not agree with it. You may not condone it. But you're not going to change it. You don't have the power. The only thing that'll change this is time. Lots and lots of time. People think you can separate genetically reinforced biologically-ingrained biases from culture. You can't. You won't. No one can. It has to progress slowly, over time.

The world that many progressive people want may come to pass one day, but it won't be today, it won't be tomorrow, it won't be 10 years from now, it won't be 100 years from now.

Bookmark this comment and come back whenever you want. See how long it takes for the majority of society to shift. You'll have a very long wait.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by HuwytNashi_002 »

jonahrd wrote: post #266
HuwytNashi_002 wrote: post #84

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You're glad that cash-strapped young women are ruining their lives for a new handbag? What prospects do they have for marriage and family after permanently uploading filth to the internet? No high quality man is sticking around after he discovers that bombshell. It has normalised this catastrophic trend. It has eliminated whatever barriers may have been in place. At a societal level, it is degrading and humiliating.…

This is an incredibly misogynistic post. 1) Assuming that making money from OnlyFans is "ruining their lives" is taking a moral high ground based on disallowing women to have control over their sexuality 2) Assuming that these women are performing just to buy handbags..... As if women don't have other reasons to need money just like everyone in society. 3) Assuming that women are searching for a "high quality man" wh…

This is an incredibly degenerate post.

1) They're engaging in pornography. They're performing lewd acts for strangers on the internet. Nobody is seizing control of their sexuality, just expressing supreme disappointment and disgust at their reckless, perversive choices therein. Don't you dare suggest that I do not have the moral high ground over literal prostitutes.

2) Don't be facetious.

3) I'm not even quite sure what your point is here. Is a man "in the passenger seat" if he's seeking a nice woman? I'm not sure what you're implying. At some point, these women are going to want to settle down- yet their trove of online pornography will make it very very difficult to attract a good man. Their "purity" has absolutely been tarnished. Nobody wants a hooker tucking their kids in at night.

I could go on. Pull your head out. It's unconscionable to facilitate a social collapse where impressionable young women are perverted for the sexual and sadistic satisfactions of strange men.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by tomc1985 »

cbozeman wrote: post #338
tomc1985 wrote: post #231

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> That it hollows out the sanctity of this intimate and symbolic act. See that's the problem. We as a society need to stop putting sex on a pedestal. It's just sex. Pleasure is pleasure, why would anyone not want to be pleasured? And why is pleasure something that has to be earned ? It is very simple to give and receive pleasure, why complicate that?

Something given has no value. The truest line from Starship Troopers .

Sex is free. We are all equipped with the necessary hardware. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does it need to have "value"?

This perception that it has value is one of the very things that people add just to complicate things. It isn't about value, or a chase, and to be honest I wish people would decouple it from anything more than intimacy. It should only be about getting you and your partner off. (And making babies, where wanted.)

For something that builds up inside all of us, some of us very quickly, society should really try to make it easier for everyone to access, especially since we are all equipped to provide.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Dylan16807 »

morelisp wrote: post #207
waihtis wrote: post #203

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I was using Firefox's reader view

Perhaps not a great idea to complain about missing context when using software specifically designed to decontextualize something.

The complaint is invalid, but that's not what reader view is intended to do either.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Dylan16807 »

waihtis wrote: post #335
morelisp wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not a great idea to complain about missing context when using software specifically designed to decontextualize something.

Where am I complaining about it? Nowhere. Just said I missed it and wasnt familiar with said play. Absolutely no reason for you to be snarky about it.

Implying that it's insufficiently accurate and click-baity qualifies as a complaint.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by EdwardDiego »

Torwald wrote: post #347
xg15 wrote: post #305

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Where is there active suppression of debate on gun control in western nations?

For example in the media. Let's take major newspapers like _The Times_ or the _Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung_ as examples. You will not find any article that mentions 2nd amendment rights while not taking side against gun ownership. Every time the American practice is mentioned, it is scoffed at. At least by implication.

People outside the US scoff because of the ridiculous amount of harm done by overly easy access to firearms in the US and your inability to discuss it seriously as a nation, as profoundly ridiculed by the Onion[1].

As people outside the US are fond of pointing out, your right to bear arms came from the 2nd _amendment_ so you know, you could always make another amendment.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_To_Prevent_This,%27_...

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by mindslight »

pksebben wrote: post #370
Torwald wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example in the media. Let's take major newspapers like _The Times_ or the _Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung_ as examples. You will not find any article that mentions 2nd amendment rights while not taking side against gun ownership. Every time the American practice is mentioned, it is scoffed at. At least by implication.

Perhaps there's a good reason for that. Not all ideas are created equal, and the proliferation of mass shootings in the states should serve as a strong signal that our gun laws are dumb. Somehow, the conversation has stalled here because some people actually believe they're going to protect their freedoms with violence. You know, by fighting against a government equipped with stealth bombers and death drones and navy…

I agree with you on the practical utility of the 2nd amendment for defending against tyranny (and if anything it seems to be more of a distraction, encouraging tyranny to developed unchecked with the idea that it will be fought at some future breaking point). But with regards to school shootings there is a much more prominent and straightforward cause - mass media itself, both news and entertainment. And they're continually working to write themselves out of the narrative by directing focus at inanimate objects.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by HuwytNashi_003 »

jonahrd wrote: post #266
HuwytNashi_002 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're glad that cash-strapped young women are ruining their lives for a new handbag? What prospects do they have for marriage and family after permanently uploading filth to the internet? No high quality man is sticking around after he discovers that bombshell. It has normalised this catastrophic trend. It has eliminated whatever barriers may have been in place. At a societal level, it is degrading and humiliating.…

This is an incredibly misogynistic post. 1) Assuming that making money from OnlyFans is "ruining their lives" is taking a moral high ground based on disallowing women to have control over their sexuality 2) Assuming that these women are performing just to buy handbags..... As if women don't have other reasons to need money just like everyone in society. 3) Assuming that women are searching for a "high quality man" wh…

This is an incredibly degenerate post.

1) They're engaging in pornography. They're performing lewd acts for strangers on the internet. Nobody is seizing control of their sexuality, just expressing supreme disappointment and disgust at their reckless, perversive choices therein. Don't you dare suggest that I do not have the moral high ground over literal prostitutes.

2) Don't be facetious.

3) I'm not even quite sure what your point is here. Is a man "in the passenger seat" if he's seeking a nice woman? I'm not sure what you're implying. At some point, these women are going to want to settle down- yet their trove of online pornography will make it very very difficult to attract a good man. Their "purity" has absolutely been tarnished. Nobody wants a hooker tucking their kids in at night.

I could go on. It's unconscionable to facilitate a social collapse where impressionable young women are perverted for the sexual and sadistic satisfactions of strange men.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Chris2048 »

marvin wrote: post #195

What a super fascinating demonstration this thread is of why OnlyFans could never have been a Silicon Valley company. I'm not going to risk getting pulled into any of the ten different arguments going on here, beyond stating that I consider it a very good thing to increase the agency of the most vulnerable members of this line of work. But suffice to say that with this level of vehement disagreement even on whether s…

> I'm not going to .., beyond stating..

So basically, you only want to state your own opinion, and not hear the many that disagree with you?

Then why not put it on a personal blog, rather than a site intended for discussion?

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