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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by fnord77 »

alisonkisk wrote: post #51
zthrowaway wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only investment being that they're selling their body for money, and generating a negative presence online that doesn't help their future career aspirations. I don't think this is a good thing to encourage young people to do.

They are selling pictures of their body. The body gets nearly no wear and tear for the work. There's only negative presence in the sense of haters. Would you also encourage young people to avoid being Black, or Muslim, because that's a "negative presence"?

I wonder if the transactional nature of the work has an impact on the workers' relationships with people.

there's always a cost.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by morelisp »

alisonkisk wrote: post #66
morelisp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is not exactly sympathetic to the "virtual pimps": > Like many industries that rely on talent that is often young and naive, greedy middlemen (almost always men) who control production and channels of distribution take all the upside for themselves. A perfect example is porn mega-name Mia Khalifa, who was paid a grand total of $12,000 for only a handful of shoots - a tiny, tiny fraction of the value her c…

New artists and performers get paid less until they have a marketable reputation. That's how the art/entertainment IP industry works, from porn to music to movies to books. Khalifa is rich now.

All those other industries pay royalties. If you have a break-out hit even as a new artist you will get compensated a magnitude more than $12,000.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by doodpants »

lumberjack wrote: post #39
spaceribs wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you say this comment is virtually pimping an idea? What a culturally inflammatory term you've chosen for any service that does anything to help facilitate sex work.

They are literal pimps doing literal pimp work: recruiting young girls, connecting them with clients, and taking a cut of the profit, while keeping control of the whole business. It is not my fault you are offended. I would have no problem if these sex workers setup their own site and did their own business directly with their clients. No pimp would be involved then. There would be no recruiting, which is also where…

I suppose that's technically true, but in the same sense you could say that YouTube pimps its content creators, Hollywood pimps its actors, record labels pimp their artists, etc. Do you honestly think every entertainer and content creator should build and run their own company? Most people don't have the skills and ambition to be entrepeneurs, and content creators need to spend their time focussing on, you know, creating content.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by HuwytNashi_002 »

vsareto wrote: post #20

I'm glad that monetized platforms like Twitch and OnlyFans exist. It's an accessible way for the younger generations to make ludicrous amounts of money for not too much up-front investment. There's definitely work and downsides involved, just not like some lesser paid, more credentialed professions. Hopefully this puts pressure on the essential jobs in society to actually raise compensation in comparison. The rest of…

You're glad that cash-strapped young women are ruining their lives for a new handbag?

What prospects do they have for marriage and family after permanently uploading filth to the internet? No high quality man is sticking around after he discovers that bombshell.

It has normalised this catastrophic trend. It has eliminated whatever barriers may have been in place.

At a societal level, it is degrading and humiliating. I know if I was on the outside looking in, I would never tire of pitifully laughing at a people in a state of collapse where a significant proportion of their young women are doing this without censure or shame.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by PrefixKitten »

africanboy wrote: post #32
lostgame wrote: post #4

As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. It certainly has had a negative affect on my mental health. I also find it ridiculous how services like PornHub and OnlyFans are featuring a lot of videos which clearly fetishizes borderline (okay, obvious) pedophilia, and, since its profitable, only pull it down when they mig…

The outer World is not the place where people will find what comforts them. Imagine forcing asexuality on the vast majority of the people in the World (and in history) that are not asexual. The remarks around pedophilia sound more like a competitor trying to push an agenda against PornHub that a concerned citizen expressing an informed opinion. Pedophilia has been traveling on any medium the humans have invented thro…

Asexuality and even asociality have been effectively forced upon me by my peers. I don't see any viable avenue to express my sexuality the way I had presumed I would get to as an adult.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by fullshark »

vsareto wrote: post #20

I'm glad that monetized platforms like Twitch and OnlyFans exist. It's an accessible way for the younger generations to make ludicrous amounts of money for not too much up-front investment. There's definitely work and downsides involved, just not like some lesser paid, more credentialed professions. Hopefully this puts pressure on the essential jobs in society to actually raise compensation in comparison. The rest of…

I think it's better than the alternative, as it eliminates the middle man and the performers own the content. But I imagine it will end up like most platforms for content, yielding to superstar economics and a race to the bottom for everyone else whose work has become commoditized and faces unyielding competition for attention. The vast majority of creators on OnlyFans will likely not be able to support themselves I'd guess, or if they will it will only be as supplemental income (I'm saying based on looking at no data).

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by DC-3 »

ankit219 wrote: post #65

NB: Writing from a perspective of someone who grew up in a conservative society (Tier 2-3 city in India), and may have a different take. Porn has become one of those buzzwords which triggers an emotional response and is used as a political tool by everyone. ("Taking away our culture and morally corrupting the young generation" is a common refrain heard around me by prominent people even today). I feel that anything w…

Sorry to go off-topic, but I had not come across the concept of Indian city tiers before, and found it interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_Indian_citie...

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by travisoneill1 »

burntoutfire wrote: post #43

> [About SV] An observer might note that all of these companies are dominated by men, in an industry dominated by men, tightly interwoven with a venture capital industry that is super-dominated by men. So it’s curious why none of these men have shown any interest in addressing the massive and lucrative sex work industry that overwhelmingly serves, well, men; until you consider who pays the real costs of that industry…

Yeah it's such a dumb argument. The obvious explanation is that all of those companies are ad supported, and advertisers don't want to advertise next to porn. If advertisers suddenly wanted to advertise on porn pages, how many seconds do you think it would take for FB to change that policy? But let's pretend it's because they're men.
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