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Post by mullingitover »

dexen wrote: post #303
mullingitover wrote: post #229

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Conservatives: we don't need the government censoring things! Trust the free market Free market: censors things Conservatives: no, not like that

>Free market: censors things Literally the opposite of the case. Due to the power of Section 230, the online platforms are shielded from the normal liability, which gives them an inherent advantage. Section 230 distorts the market, making it non-free. See also: the excellent "Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attributes of monopoly"[1] story from earlier on today. Moreover, the Section 230 was specific…

> Now that it has done its job, we can revoke the Section 230, and return to actual free market. Where a tortious interference would be sorted out by a lawsuit.

I think you spelled, "where posters freely waive their right to sue the forum as part of their publishing contract" wrong

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Post by p1necone »

nemothekid wrote: post #346
easterncalculus wrote: post #344

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"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparatively you can't have a conversation about "disinformation" without talking about social media companies' responsibility to delete or hide content.

Ah ok, when Trump says a negative article about him is "fake news" it's criticism, but when "disinformation" comes out about Biden it's a call for censorship? Am I insane for seeing the dissonance here?

You're not insane. Don't fall into the trap of thinking these people don't see the hypocrisy in what they're saying. Gaslighting and projection is all part of the alt right playbook.

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Post by sj3k »

cofeecup wrote: post #340
dimitrios1 wrote: post #327

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Yet I don't recall anyone questioning Buzzfeed News when they dropped their bombshell story years back. I remember the defenders saying something along the lines of "If the news is newsworthy and constitutes journalism, then the publication it was produced in shouldn't matter" As HN audience mostly claim to be full of "independent thinkers" we should have no problem with this being published by the Post if it indeed…

Well in that case, let me just clear my schedule to spend all of tomorrow performing an exhaustive fact check of the credibility of this story. /s It turns out that journalism is hard to do correctly. As an "independent thinker" I'm going to independently decide to not trust a publication with the reputation of the NY Post until it's been corroborated.

So glad I see this sentiment on here. I am still blown away by HN readers inability to critically analyze news sources. If this was some research paper it would have been put under the microscope by HN readers.

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Post by Wohlf »

donohoe wrote: post #363
hirundo wrote: post #54

There's a recurring argument on social media censorship that goes: "you wouldn't want the telephone company censoring phone conversations would you?" And the response is along the lines: "these are hardly private conversations, any tweet can go viral and be seen by millions". This story breaks that mold in that it involves social media censoring private conversations via DM. If you think that's OK for Twitter on its…

>> is it also OK for AT&T on its phone network? For Google on Gmail Twitter is a closed-system and not a utility, and I guess that makes all the difference.

Phones were not always considered a utility, it's a definition that can be changed by Congress and in some ways the FCC at any time.

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Post by _qulr »

tzs wrote: post #326
_qulr wrote: post #104

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It's not just Twitter, it's also Facebook. (I believe Facebook was actually the first to take action.) What if Google does it too? In the past few years, we've seen these big tech companies operate in a manner that seems collusive. They follow each other's cues. One company is the first to censor, and then the other companies follow very quickly with the exact same censorship. (The quick collective action tends to di…

> In the past few years, we've seen these big tech companies operate in a manner that seems collusive. They follow each other's cues. One company is the first to censor, and then the other companies follow very quickly with the exact same censorship. Or they are using similar criteria to decide what is allowed, and so independently arrive at the same decision when the same thing is posted to them all.

"Twitter will ban posts that deny the Holocaust, a company spokesperson confirmed today. The news, first reported by Bloomberg, comes two days after Facebook implemented the same policy." https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/14/21516468/twitter-holocau...

The Holocaust happened 75 years ago. Twitter's decision came 2 days after Facebook's.

Q.E.D.

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Post by refurb »

nemothekid wrote: post #346
easterncalculus wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparatively you can't have a conversation about "disinformation" without talking about social media companies' responsibility to delete or hide content.

Ah ok, when Trump says a negative article about him is "fake news" it's criticism, but when "disinformation" comes out about Biden it's a call for censorship? Am I insane for seeing the dissonance here?

One of them is saying “it’s not true” and one of them is saying “we should stop the public from seeing that”.

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Post by cft »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #259
cft wrote: post #177

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No, the original point of 230 was to allow platforms to republish user content without bearing civil liability for such content.

No, the point was to allow platforms to republish user content and moderate it without bearing civil liability for the content. Case law prior to section 230 had established that platforms only had liability if they engaged in moderation, but had no liability if they did not moderate in any way. Section 230 was created to address that absurd result of existing law. Protecting platforms that engage in moderation is th…

Relying on the case law is much more expensive than relying on the US Code, since 230 allows to immediately go for the summary judgement, even if somebody still files a civil case. So the then smaller ISPs lobbied for that.

The moderation clause was historically added because at that time, the failed CDA (Communication Decency Act) was likely to pass (later partially struck down by the Supreme Court). so the COngress added it as the implementation mechanism for the CDA. When the CDA was weakened, the moderation language was still left in 230.

These latest chilling developments make me think it's better to revert to case law.

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Post by mberning »

reilly3000 wrote: post #279
patrickaljord wrote: post #269

Here's the article for those wondering https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden...

This is a colossal failure of a scam to discredit Biden. There was no chain of custody, the proported email had tons of tell tale signs of being faked, and NYPost posted exif data that undermined their whole claim. They even used ints for ids allowing a lot of unpublished docs out. https://twitter.com/russelneiss/status/1316398928850452481 https://twitter.com/russelneiss/status/1316402052885606400 https://twitter.com…

They are complaining about the format of the email, but don’t seem to realize that the client is the OS X Mail app.

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Post by bleepblorp »

p1necone wrote: post #214
Covzire wrote: post #100

Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left. Controlling "disinformation" is a dog whistle for censorship, hoping that average citizens don't realize what they're really after. We all know who is going to be the moderators in flagging "disinformation" and we all know which ideology they overwhelmingly favor. I'd sooner trust a pyromaniac as fire chief of my local county than I wou…

Assuming you're from America - your right is absolutely bugfuck insane and blatantly corrupt and the fact that you're talking about them as if they're not seriously affects my ability to take you seriously. What is with all these people talking as if the American right and left are just two regular sides of the same political coin without addressing the massive elephant (pun not intended) in the room.

> What is with all these people talking as if the American right and left are just two regular sides of the same political coin without addressing the massive elephant in the room.

The (GOP) elephant in the room uses 'both sides bad, vote for the Republican' as a strategy with the more educated segment of the electorate. Except for people who criticize both parties from the hard left (well left of Bernie Sanders) and the very hard right (the few people who think Trump isn't extreme enough), 'both sides bad' talking points generally come from Republicans who aren't open about their party affiliation. It's not an honest argument--indeed it's a form of subjective disinformation in and of itself--but it's effective with a certain demographic that is over-represented in the STEM sector.

That demographic is people who behave like this

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

in response to mild suggestions that, just maybe, some of the benefits of the past 75 years of economic and technological progress should be shared a little more evenly.

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