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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ashtonkem »

ammon wrote: post #10

Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

You can’t unilaterally decide to give me a public profile; that is a trust ruining decision that you’ve made.

If you gave me the option to make one, we could talk. But by making that decision for me, I now have to view you as a fundamentally un-trustworthy party.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by [deleted] »

ammon wrote: post #67
yaacov wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by TechBro8615 »

javajosh wrote: post #354

May I humbly recommend that rather than delete your account, that you modify it to have noisy data. This would have a much more positive impact, I think, than a deletion.

I changed my name to "delete my account", set profile data to junk, switched to a throwaway email, and changed my avatar to a picture of a ballsack in a cup. That should sort it.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ashtonkem »

derivagral wrote: post #272
peteretep wrote: post #215

The fundamental disconnect here is that Ammon seems to think this data belongs to him, for uses he deems appropriate, rather than belonging to his users. This works for Facebook and LinkedIn because of network effects, but not for some random staffing agency with a tech gimmick. If Adecco or MichaelPage did this it’d attract the attention of ambitious public prosecutors worldwide. It’s almost a shame, as the idea its…

Isn't this legally the case? There's a random place on the internet and people upload details. Not payment info, and I honestly am not clear on how much the rest is protected (USA). This is exactly what Zuckerberg called people "dumb fucks" for, and I don't think anything (legally) has changed. I'm on your side as far as the "why the hell is this the case", but I think this is the world that (USA and others) live in.

Legality doesn’t really matter here, public perception does. If Triplebyte comes to be viewed as an untrustworthy partner in the extremely high stakes world of career changes, they’re effectively dead.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by king_magic »

ammon wrote: post #67
yaacov wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

It's so disappointing that you cannot see how blatantly wrong what you're doing is.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ashtonkem »

steveoc64 wrote: post #78
cubicPangolin wrote: post #54

Registered on hacker news JUST to post this. I saw this email earlier today, skimmed it and thought "hmm cool they're competing with Linkedin or something" and then immediately forgot. I had absolutely no idea they were going to exploit my data and breach my expectations of privacy to drive traffic to their website (an issue in and of itself). And the part where they tell you to go ahead and opt out is hidden in ther…

"breach my expectations of privacy" Q: where did these expectations of privacy come from ?

The expectation of privacy came from the fact that this is a recruiting platform; even mediocre recruiters know that discretion and privacy are critical since leaks about job searches can get people fired.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by inimino »

flareback wrote: post #280
ammon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

Your site is a job search site so the fact that someone has an account means they have been job hunting. This is not like Stack Overflow or Hackernews that you seem to like comparing the profiles to. StackOverflow may have job search functionality but it started as primarily something not related to a job search so my having an account there doesn't mean I have been job hunting.

Your SO account was also never private, didn't contain "test scores" for job skills, and was never a repository of sensitive information about you that you only allowed them to have because you trusted them to keep it private.

I've seen some epic CEO fuckups but this one is special.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by wolfgang42 »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #360
nabilhat wrote: post #343

Assume for a moment I'm a bad-faith, nosy employer who reads HN on a Saturday morning. All it takes for me to match up my little stack of current employee's resumes is a person's city of residence, skills, and employment dates. If I'm that kind of employer, that's enough to raise my red flags. If prior employers are named outright, that's a 100% ID. If employment dates are paired with employment location, that's a 10…

> those comments don't get flagged out of future HN search results. Triplebyte is a YC company and HN is a YC site, so economic interests are aligned with nuking highly critical comments

Regarding HN’s policy on discussions of YC companies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280121

What 'nabilhat is talking about is the way the Triplebyte CEO’s comments in this thread (which are the opposite of “highly critical”) are being downvoted to very light grey.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ashtonkem »

domador wrote: post #105
ammon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

You mentioned Hacker News in passing. HN has public profiles indeed, but most of them don't have much information. Either people don't want to fill them out or they don't care to, possibly because they just want to do other things on HN (like post comments or upvote articles and comments.) The way public profiles work vary from service to service, as does people's expectations regarding those profiles. From what I've…

Also, most HN profiles use pseudonyms. the profile might be public, but the connection to a human being isn’t.
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