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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by jerf »

nikanj wrote: post #359
antoncohen wrote: post #286

I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…

In one corner, I have the good experience of you, a semi-anonymous internet commentor. In the other corner, I have the dozens and dozens of blog posts from HN front page from people who have gotten shafted by Google "support". And those are just the ones who had their ticket escalated, i.e. got lucky and made it to the front page of HN. I'm not saying you haven't gotten great support. Hell, there are people out there…

Most of those Google support stories aren't about GCP, though. It's things like app support, or Gmail support, etc.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by m0zg »

I actually don't think that's what happened at all. Best I can tell, this was a multi-year, aggressive, OKR-like goal. You're not expected to 100% achieve your OKRs at Google. 100% on everything indicates your OKRs are not aggressive enough and you're sandbagging. You're merely saying: "I think this is worth doing and I'll commit serious effort to achieving this". I don't know why people are concluding that if world domination doesn't happen by 2023 Google will set its cloud datacenters on fire.

Or, to be perfectly honest, I do know: it's to drive outrage and clicks.

Google is not going shutter any business which brings in more than $1B in profit per year. It never has, and it never will.

Disclosure: ex-Googler, GCP user, hold no position in company stock.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by callalex »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #160
zapita wrote: post #144

AWS is unassailable as number one, but Azure is more fragile than they might appear in their #2 position. They use their Office online revenue to boost their numbers (EDIT: apparently they don't do that anymore) , and their utilization is probably lower than the competition because they rely heavily on bundling new cloud services into legacy contracts at renewal to reach their targets. So lots of Office / Outlook / A…

> Azure’s technology stack is dreadful. Can you describe what you are referring to here? I've only used AWS a bit but it's been littered with WTFs.

You can’t utilize anything in their tech stack without spending days going back and forth with the licensing department.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by rifung »

summerlight wrote: post #226

I'm confused; is it realistic for any company to deprecate a product with $8B annual revenue? Compare to AWS, it is small but still significant even for Google. Compare this to YT, which annual revenue estimation is around $15B ~ $25B and CapEx/OpEx is supposed to be very large.

I don't think revenue matters as much as profits?

I assume the thinking is that if the ROI is not high enough, then you might as well just invest that money into the more profitable portions of your business.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by paulddraper »

chupa-chups wrote: post #370
paulddraper wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

?? They still have the GDPR-compliant Frankfurt and Berlin datacenters. [1] I've not see any announcement about closing them. [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/global-infrastructure/germ...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/germany/germany-welco... Apparently they reversed their decision again, which kind of underlines what I said :)

> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today, which we’ll maintain with necessary security updates.

No one said MS developed new services for years and years and years; they said they supported existing offerings for a long time, which they do.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by justincormack »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #127
bitL wrote: post #50

Google Cloud could have easily dominated the market if they were willing to share their internal technology instead of knock-offs they offered. Now it's too late, competition improved their mediocre offerings and outside TPUs there is no advantage anymore.

It was my impression that the publicly-released versions are better than the originals. It's not that k8s is a knock-off of borg; k8s is a sort of borg 2.0, etc. Am I mistaken?

Kubernetes still runs on top of Borg on GCP.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by nikanj »

jerf wrote: post #371
nikanj wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In one corner, I have the good experience of you, a semi-anonymous internet commentor. In the other corner, I have the dozens and dozens of blog posts from HN front page from people who have gotten shafted by Google "support". And those are just the ones who had their ticket escalated, i.e. got lucky and made it to the front page of HN. I'm not saying you haven't gotten great support. Hell, there are people out there…

Most of those Google support stories aren't about GCP, though. It's things like app support, or Gmail support, etc.

People, me included, just remember Google doesn't support their products. I won't be arsed to consult a list of Google products and properties to see if this particular one is going to get support or not.

If I buy something from Microsoft, I can contact Microsoft support. I don't have to roll the dice on it being actually supported by Microsoft, or only supported by other desperate users on an abandoned phpBB somewhere.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by chupa-chups »

paulddraper wrote: post #375
chupa-chups wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/germany/germany-welco... Apparently they reversed their decision again, which kind of underlines what I said :)

> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today, which we’ll maintain with necessary security updates. No one said MS developed new services for years and years and years; they said they supported existing offerings for a long time, which they do.

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-discontinuing-the-germa...

https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge...

https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/issues/14944

If you still don't believe me, please provide your public key or email address so I can publish a response.

Maybe it doesn't stand out: Microsoft Germany delivered the promise that US authorities are technically unable to access stored data. The "new" data centers were without that promise, making the USP obsolete.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by teddyuk »

antoncohen wrote: post #286

I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…

I don’t know if you still can but it used to be that with Microsoft premier support if you passed some specific exams you could bypass the first tier (who were excellent engineers) and go straight to escalation/ cpr engineers

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by Spooky23 »

Aperocky wrote: post #357
Spooky23 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd disagree. Microsoft has an EA with every significant corporate entity, and basically taxes everyone. They have the ability to leverage those relationships unlike any other. Azure is the one to beat, IMO.

Leveraged relationships Oracle has, and look how that turned out for them. Universally hated have they became. Microsoft after a decade of Ballmer is not far from where Oracle is now, despite some recent positive reputation gains. They are already squeezing those relationship by bundling services, and it will be too far too quickly.

Oracle is a very different animal.

O365 is a huge lever that isn't going anywhere.

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