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Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

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Post by dcolkitt »

lordgrenville wrote: post #340
dcolkitt wrote: post #321

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Do you have a citation for that other than Quora?

No. It's something I heard growing up in SA, and I thought there'd be lots of sources about it online, but that was all I could find. It's possible that it's a myth - happy to hear from someone who knows more.

It's definitely possible. But I'd be skeptical that the sentiment was widespread.

Right around the same time the Oppenheimers were becoming the wealthiest and one of the most powerful families in South Africa. Despite being ethnically Jewish, I've never once heard of them facing any discrimination from the apartheid regime or the broader SA public.

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Post by humanrebar »

aviraldg wrote: post #200
umvi wrote: post #19

It's like we have these two irreconcilable ideas: - Diversity is good - Discrimination is bad When 50% of the world's population is from China/India, how do you both promote diversity and not discriminate?

By realising that India is not homogenous at all, and is inherently diverse?

Sure, but so are Americans: white, black, Hispanic, etc.

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Post by hos234 »

rohit2412 wrote: post #298
dwoozle wrote: post #126

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Harvard and UC are trying to do different things. Harvard is trying to admit the future leaders of the world, so it can point to them and say “They are Harvard men.” UC is trying to give an academically rigorous education to the most academically qualified students.

So, asians are less likely to be leaders because of their race? African-Americans are more likely to be leaders because of their race?

Asia hasn't produced a Kanye yet. They got work to do.

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Post by gwright »

Edmond wrote: post #156
cobweb1 wrote: post #122

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I was under the impression that Jews commonly don't think of themselves as being white whereas the rest of the 'white' groups did. Maybe I'm wrong? Jewishness is a more closely knit identity which Jews are lucky enough to have, whereas even whiteness is an ever expanding identity leaving many white people with nothing but 'American'.

It is the price that "white" identity demands. It is a subtractive identity, ie it abhors identity complication. You basically have to strip every complicating element of your true identity safe for the absolutely benign forms (ie "Kiss me, I am Irish" tea shirts). If you pay attention at least in American you can observe intriguing examples of this tension with white identity playing out. For instance being LGBTQ an…

> In fact there are examples now of white gay men who claim to hate "identity politics", what they really hate is that LGBTQ identity jeopardizes their "white" identity and they recognize this

Speaking for myself, mmm.....no.

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Post by rmah »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #336
thereare5lights wrote: post #333

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This adds nothing to the conversation because no one is saying that. People are saying that they're entitled to a fair opportunity to get in, not that they're entitled to get in period.

They got a fair shot. A judge just determined it. I got a fair shot. I didn't get in. Can the plaintiffs move on?

If you read the article, it says the judge determined the exact opposite. That asians do not get a "fair shot". But the judge said that other concerns (historical racism against other groups) trumps this current bit of racism such that, net net, it's ok for harvard to discriminate against asians. Opinions may differ on the correctness and morality of this decision.

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Post by justinclift »

conradfr wrote: post #165
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #112

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Aren't Jews a race and a religion? Plenty of non religious Jews out there.

What is a race exactly for humans?

"There’s No Scientific Basis for Race—It's a Made-Up Label"

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-gen...

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Post by dang »

geodel wrote: post #367
darawk wrote: post #263

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My understanding was that affirmative action was supposed to correct the under-representation of minorities by eliminating the over -representation of non-jewish whites. Not that it was designed to under-represent them.

Seems your understanding is totally out of touch with SJW/Woke wave sweeping across the world. Pointing out statistics may brand you as apologist of racism, perpetuating while privilege etc.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. Going down that road always leads to worse discussion and damages the container here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

mffnbs wrote: post #370
geodel wrote: post #367

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Seems your understanding is totally out of touch with SJW/Woke wave sweeping across the world. Pointing out statistics may brand you as apologist of racism, perpetuating while privilege etc.

Seems your understanding is drunk and lost all of its tact earlier in the night.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make sure you're posting in the intended spirit.

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Post by gdhbcc »

InitialLastName wrote: post #351
keiferski wrote: post #262

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Jews were kicked out of numerous Western European countries throughout the Middle Ages and early modern era. I hardly think Eastern Europe has a monopoly on anti-Semitism.

Sure, but in a world dominated by the Christian church, isn't it possible that the discrimination was based more on religion than on race? I don't remember where (help me, please!) but I read an account by a medieval European monk visiting monasteries and Christian communities in Africa. He described their religious practices, traditions, culture architecture and food in great detail, but mentioned their (certainly m…

Depends on the place I suppose. In Portugal it was primarily because of religion (many time out of fear that they had secretly kept their Jewish religion, rather than actually converting to christianity).

It doesn't really make sense to talk about the expulsions in the 1500s as being motivated by race, given that there was no meaningful difference in race between the Jewish and Christian populations in the area, and they had widely intermingled.

While I have read plenty of accounts of riots and expulsions that either explicitly or implicitly state their reasons as being motivated by fears of new Christians still Secretly practicing Judaism, I haven't seen a single account naming race or some ethnic distinction as the cause.

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