Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack • Hacker News Board

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by themeiguoren » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 3:39 PM UTC

boring_twenties wrote: post #274

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #83

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but, why? I sincerely don't understand why the headphone jack is the hill that so many people choose to die on. The $9 lightning to 3.5mm dongle has worked perfectly for me, as has my USB-c to 3.5mm dongle.

The dongle is completely unacceptable to me. First of all, there is a 100% chance that I will at some point forget it at home or lose it altogether, and then be unable to use my headphones altogether. That's a dealbreaker. Then there's the sheer inconvenience of carrying it around. I only have three things in my pockets: wallet, phone, keys. It takes less than a second to ensure that I have all three of those things…

How many headphones do you have? I’d be surprised if it was more than 2. Just keep the single permanently on the end of the headphone’s aux cord and that solves all your issues in this comment.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by lostgame » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 3:47 PM UTC

b3b0p wrote: post #336

stevewodil wrote: post #257

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I'm a dev and like the touch bar. Ask me anything

I'm a developer also. I have no issues with the Touch Bar. I kind of like it. I never used the F keys anyway. I mapped my escape key to caps lock. I view it as the next iteration or evolution of the basic fingerprint reader on many PC laptops and notebooks. I am more surprised by the hatred for it. It's extremely easily hackable [0] [1] and I was thinking all sorts of people would up with interesting ideas and uses f…

I don’t think it would be hated if it didn’t replace the layer of existing keys, or offered any kind of haptic feedback.

I was shocked at a second revision of the MBP without haptic feedback on the Touch Bar.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by lostgame » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

cgrealy wrote: post #325

lostgame wrote: post #231

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>> I really don't think you are Apple's target audience. I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; and the reason I still use their products. The ecosystem and workflow of using an iPhone or iPad to write a simple musical idea in GarageBand on the subway, and then finding it already on my iCloud on my MacBook Pro at home, so I can open it up in Logic and refin…

>> I am a creative professional - which, historically, was a very important part of Apple’s user base; and the reason I still use their products. The keyword there is historically . It's pretty clear that Apple has shifted its market focus away from the creative space. It's made some efforts to win them back with the latest Mac Pro, but they are a minority. This isn't even a criticism of Apple (clearly that decision…

Well, it sure feels shitty to support a company for years, who has supported you in your industry for years, who suddenly just says ‘we couldn’t give less of a shit about you anymore.’

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Carpetsmoker » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 3:57 PM UTC

paulie_a wrote: post #370

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #258

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The only reason I have an iPhone SE is because it's the only small-ish phone that's actually supported. I don't even like all this Apple iOS crap, but I just want a small phone for the 9 apps I use + phone and camera. I previously had a Sony XZ compact, but they stopped making those too :-/ (I got a the SE secondhand a few months ago). This article calls the SE "tiny, aging, probably almost obsolete throwback", but I…

The pixel has a small profile and is pure Android and a flagship phone

It's insanely expensive though: "from €899". Also quite a bit bigger than SE, although not as much as some I guess.

I wasn't exaggerating when I said I have 9 apps installed: Couchsurfing, Fastmail, Telegram, Tinder, Revolut, Viewranger, WhatsApp, Google Maps, Firefox. That'll be €100/app!

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Post by bdcravens » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

javagram wrote: post #230

bdcravens wrote: post #138

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Apple is well known for removing things: floppy drives, optical drives, serviceable storage and RAM, serviceable batteries, F-key rows, FireWire ports, Ethernet ports, MagSafe, USB-A ports, matte-finish displays, etc. There’s always dissent. Yet they never reverse course.

> Yet they never reverse course. The “trash can” Mac Pro would like a word...

I guess that depends on whether or not the new Mac Pro is reverting to what they had previously or they simply ended a design and replaced it.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by lwelyk » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

themeiguoren wrote: post #368

magduf wrote: post #95

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Because people don't want to fuck around with a stupid dongle to have a feature that the phone should have had in the first place. Dongles get lost, and you also can't charge the phone and use the dongle at the same time. Maybe you don't think it's a big deal, but when the asking price of the device is $1k, any little annoyance like that is a legitimate deal-breaker: for that much money, it should have everything, in…

I still use an SE but I really don’t get this complaint against upgrading. Just keep the dongle permanently on the end of your headphone cable, and use one that splits out to a lightening charger as well. I’m seeing one for under 10 bucks on Amazon. Really a non-issue.

I have multiple pairs of headphones, I have some over the ear ones at work, I have a couple buds that don't cut out as much outside noise in my car for when I'm shopping, I have some in ears at home I use when mowing my lawn. I plug my phone into some speakers at home sometimes. I don't want to have to keep track of a dongle for each of these.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by old-gregg » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM UTC

mattmcknight wrote: post #290

old-gregg wrote: post #275

I've been quite happy with my 6s, going to replace the battery again soon. But eventually iOS updates will cease coming, yet I absolutely cannot live without a headphone jack. Honest question: how would you even approach the Android? My smartphone is basically a more mobile extension of my laptop: sending document snapshots directly from the phone's camera to my MacOS desktop, starting iMessage conversations with any…

"Android seems to be designed to run in "I'm an island" mode" Not at all, if anything it is more flexible, as it syncs cloud first, making what's on your phone accessible through a browser on any device, although with numerous sync programs available on the desktop as well. Scan docs into Google Drive (or dropbox) and the file appears in a synced folder on your laptop. Photos can drop straight into Google Photos. I u…

Thank you. Sharing files and URLs is going to work just fine.

What about communicating? I tend to avoid typing on my phone, and I heavily rely on the pattern of receiving SMS or iMessage messages on the phone and replying later when I get to my laptop or answering inbound calls on my laptop. These two would be the toughest to lose.

Basically, I loathe interacting with the phone if I have a laptop in front of me. An Android will probably constantly want my attention to answer texts and calls.

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Post by lostgame » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

stevewodil wrote: post #304

guelo wrote: post #300

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When your hand accidentally touches that miniature touch screen and random things happen on your mac how do you control the urge to hurl it across a room?

When would my hand accidentally touch the touch bar that sits above the keyboard? I literally don't think this has ever happened to me, I'm being honest

You are certainly one of the rare ones. This happens to me and my co-workers so often it's become a running joke.

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Post by PascLeRasc » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:22 PM UTC

Roboprog wrote: post #312

lostgame wrote: post #251

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Thank you. Someone needed to say this. I’m sure some would argue that you could use the adapter - but do I really want to carry an adapter and have to find it within a moment of inspiration?

To clarify, I mean for audio. For MIDI it works well enough most of the time. I think note-on/off messages are 3 or 4 bytes, though, which is quite a bit less of a chunk to buffer and verify or whatever Bluetooth does

Note-on/offs are 3 bytes exactly [1] and take 320μs to send [2], but I'm not sure what kind of overhead Bluetooth adds.

[1]: http://www.music-software-development.com/midi-tutorial.html

[2] https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/cmsip/readings/davids-midi-spe...

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by brailsafe » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

daseiner1 wrote: post #347

brailsafe wrote: post #284

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I also like the TouchBar and use BetterTouchTool a bit. But the limitation that annoys me is that I can't simultaneously customize it and display app specific context buttons. As in one section customized if a spotify thing is playing, but otherwise make the space available for overriding.

Have you investigated the option in BTT on a button to always display regardless of context?

Right now I have a spotify song display alongside default apple controls. But afaik there isn't the ability to allocate a bit of the touchbar to BTT, Apple default controls, and app specific context controls. BTT takes over most of the bar, but then I lose the ability to easily use pycharm debugging controls for example.