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H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by mehrdadn »

hrktb wrote: post #370
mehrdadn wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you searched for but you shouldn't need obscure sources like that for this... a bit of quick searching re: citizenship rights found [1] for me from the UN. Whereas for migration there's [2] which makes it clear there is no universal agreement on migration rights. [3] seems to make it even more clear that it's up to countries to decide migration policy. I'm sure more can be found via some more search…

Thanks, this was in a very good read. I didn’t look it ip from the right angle I think. It is very interesting that it’s a right to have _a_ nationality, with nothing more really. It makes sense for all the issues described in the doc , and it also anchors the notion that except some specific cases that can trigger violations of human rights, a state basically does what it wants regarding who get nationality and who…

It seems a pretty bad mischaracterization of what I posted above to say "except some specific cases that can trigger violations of human rights, a state basically does what it wants regarding who get nationality". It's the exact opposite. The whole point was that in general states cannot strip away your nationality except for the specific minority of people who have another one.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by School-Cotton »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #199
an_cap wrote: post #137

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Actually, I suspect its easier to get a full-body skin graft than it is for a low-skilled third-worlder to get an American citizenship.

Sorry I didn't realize this was reddit. You know that's not true, and other countries have much more strict citizenship processes, some not even allowing full citizenship.

Can you elaborate on why you think that isn't true?

Imagine I'm a cab driver in Pakistan and want to become a cab driver in the US. Can you point me to what form I would fill out in order to apply for a visa?

As far as I'm aware, no such process exists.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by Friedduck »

I don’t know if my experience in the mid-2000s is unique. A company I worked for laid off thousands of American workers and replaced them with H-1B and off-shore labor.

Many (most?) of the H-1B workers were utterly unqualified. Right out of school, inexperienced, and some just hopeless. The impact beyond the obvious was anyone pursuing a tech career at that company found alternate work.

The lesson was not lost. They learned that they could be replaced at any time by much cheaper global labor.

So I wonder if some of the scarcity in the tech labor market isn’t due to this perception.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by ksolanki »

whack wrote: post #201
untog wrote: post #80

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Clarification in case any H1B holders are reading: you absolutely can transfer your H1B visa, though I think a break of more than 30 days would be a violation. The trick is when you H1B employer also offers to sponsor your green card. That isn't transferrable, and if you're from certain countries (like India) it can take up to ten years to get one.

> "The trick is when you H1B employer also offers to sponsor your green card. That isn't transferrable" Yes but the priority date itself is transferable. This allows you to job hop as many times as you want, without losing your place in line. If you have to wait 10 years for your green card, you might as well take advantage of this option and only worry about your green card 9 years down the road.

Unless you want a promotion (from what I understand). And most want a promotion or change in job responsibilities in 10 years.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by ece »

behindmyscreen wrote: post #247
petilon wrote: post #226

America is the most powerful nation in the world today not because it has the most number of people, but because it has the best and the brightest, gathered from around the world. There are 4x as many geniuses in China as in the US. This is not because they are superior genetically. This is simply because the population of China is 4x that of USA. If one in 1,000,000 people are geniuses, then China must have 4x more…

Changing the H1B visa to let holders change companies easily would be a good start at removing the pay disparity and incentive to not hire qualified US workers.

Letting them be promoted within a job would be a good start too.

If reforms like this happened, the incentive for companies to abuse the system would go down. Setting up fake staffing companies would still be a problem, but catching immigration/employment fraud is a different problem and should be resourced appropriately.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by whack »

ksolanki wrote: post #374
whack wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The trick is when you H1B employer also offers to sponsor your green card. That isn't transferrable" Yes but the priority date itself is transferable. This allows you to job hop as many times as you want, without losing your place in line. If you have to wait 10 years for your green card, you might as well take advantage of this option and only worry about your green card 9 years down the road.

Unless you want a promotion (from what I understand). And most want a promotion or change in job responsibilities in 10 years.

You don't lose your priority date if you get a promotion within the same job role. Eg, you can go from entry-level developer to senior-staff developer, without any issues. Google senior-staff developers make over half-a-million, so that's quite a high ceiling. I even know someone who made the switch from hardware-engineering to software, and kept his priority date.

Re: H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

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Post by snotrockets »

ojbyrne wrote: post #346
snotrockets wrote: post #333

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The second you are fired, you no longer have an H1B to transfer (usually USCIS allows transferring even if there is a short lapse, but this isn't guaranteed, and during that lapse, the visa holder is actually the US illegally)

This isn’t correct. Once you have an H1B it’s yours for 3 years (plus a 3 year extension). If you lose your job you can use the remaining eligibility for another job, though you may have to do your job search from outside the country. In addition, USCIS has formalized the general practice that you have 60 days to find another job or leave the country: https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/uscis-publishes-fin...

If it yours but you can't use it without a 3rd party (employer) agreeing, is it really yours?

I'm glad to hear the 60 days had been codified. I just hope it's a binding decision.

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