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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by pizzapill »

BillFranklin wrote: post #360
madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

Yes I agree. We don't know why Docker did this. It's not a particularly helpful thing to do, but it's just not that major an issue. I think many who posted on the Github issue will later regret the tone of their reaction. The treatment of the Docker employee was particularly nasty.

> We don't know why Docker did this.

I'll take a guess: Money.

How do you generate profit if you built something wonderful but the competition already built everything around it that you wanted to sell later (Kubernetes & Co)? User data.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

deadbunny wrote: post #372
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #327

I have never installed Docker through any route other than a Linux distribution's package manager. Why would anyone use the download in the first place?

Because this is about Windows/MacOS downloads.

Was it really necessary for you to say the same thing aneutron, the only other reply, said an hour ago?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by neya »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

I agree with you. BUT, even from a pure software hosted on github point of view, he didn't respond appropriately - The person who opened the issue had a legitimate concern - WHY.

The maintainer not only skipped addressing the core issue, which was that you need an auth-wall to download the setup files, he also closed the issue with a very dishonest answer without addressing the WHY. He even said the docs don't need to be changed. WHAT? It's gray area, but to me personally, it's an unethical move to not mention such a drastic change in the docs. Unless, they hoped that this would pass off either unnoticed as acceptable. But in this case, it didn't and the community held them accountable.

If you notice, most of the comments aren't personally attacking him, but rather suggesting alternatives or either just re-iterating the core issue once again.

But then, what I DO agree with you is the issue page slowly turning into a reddit thread, which I fear would lead to personal attacks, etc.

But, do you know what would have stopped all this? Just a simple apology/honest discussion about this change and perhaps, actually talking about a solution. That's all.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by leothelocust »

zapita wrote: post #47

I understand the rationale for filing this issue, although I personally disagree with it... Docker for Mac is great freeware, and I don’t mind logging into Steam and Mac Store for my other apps, so I don’t have an issue with doing the same with Docker. But for someone who greatly cares about not having to give their email, I can see how it can be annoying to see the policy change after they started using the software…

> Either way... Holy shit is that github thread full of negativity and entitlement!

Negativity - rightfully so imo.

Entitlement - many people have contributed to the docker project. It's open source. Entitlement comes with the territory.

It's the hateful and cruel comments that bother me. State your opinion of the move to a loginwall, don't hate the ppl who did it.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ptero »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

I took a quick look at the thread on github and did not see that much toxicity. Maybe I missed most of it, but IMO (which seems to be shared by others) Docker is seriously wrong here. Saying that login wall is a change to "improve user experience ... moving forward" is wrong. Whoever is saying this knows this is not true. Calling such an obvious case of BS when we see it is not treating people with disrespect.

On "write letters/emails to Docker" instead, no thank you. If I suspect the company of some dishonesty (as I now do based on the thread at github), public shaming may be more effective and do most good. This discussion needs to be public.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by redler »

BillFranklin wrote: post #360
madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

Yes I agree. We don't know why Docker did this. It's not a particularly helpful thing to do, but it's just not that major an issue. I think many who posted on the Github issue will later regret the tone of their reaction. The treatment of the Docker employee was particularly nasty.

They don’t want to become the “commoditized complement” to a higher order ecosystem monetized by Kubernetes, et al.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by phobosdeimos »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

All the comments were aimed at the company not the people who work there. Corporations aren't people no matter what the Supreme Court says and they don't have feelings.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by nickjj »

leothelocust wrote: post #365
nickjj wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Docker's defense they don't really barrage you with marketing. This isn't a situation where if you create an account you're going to get emailed every day about "5 tips on moving your Enterprise application to Docker!". I've had a Docker Hub account since Docker Hub was a thing and the only content I really ever get from Docker is a weekly newsletter (which you can opt out of) and notifications about the platform…

> In Docker's defense they don't really barrage you with marketing. Although they may not barrage you now, there is no telling what the future holds with stunts like this.

> Although they may not barrage you now, there is no telling what the future holds with stunts like this.

I think the future is pretty predictable.

In the off chance they just wake up and start slamming you with unsolicited marketing then you can click unsubscribe in the footer of their email and you'll never see another email from Docker again.

But really, I don't think Docker is foolish enough to do that. They've spent a lot of years building up their brand and business, and aren't reckless enough to put all of that at risk by relentlessly emailing their users with marketing agendas (if that's what they wanted to do they could have been doing that for years).

Docker already knows that almost everyone uses the free community edition anyways, so they really have nothing to sell to us anyways, except for maybe Docker Hub private repo access. Anyone who already downloads Docker already knows the benefits of using Docker, so they don't need to sell us on Docker as a technology. What are they going to market to us?

Lastly, let's not forget that the Docker for Windows / Mac clients have allowed you to login to the Docker Hub for a long time now and nothing bad has came from that (unexpected marketing attempts).

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jugg1es »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Yea, it's like when the auto mechanic says its "unsafe" to not replace your brake rotors when you change your pads and that he won't replace your breaks unless you pay for rotors too. Just say that the job is too small to be worth it unless you replace the rotors.
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