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America has a truck driver shortage

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And how would they airdrop money to everyone else in the community every day?

Yea, but how do you airdrop electronic devices to utilize crypto for those that don't have electronic devices? If utilizing crypto and all it's blockchain glory to those who don't have access to computers/smartphones/internet has been answered, I'm all ears. Then cool. But I see that as an infrastructure issue that no one has directly answered.

POS debit cards.

But in most unbanked areas like rural African villages or Brazilian favelas people have smartphones. That’s one thing almost all of them have.

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Voluntary redistribution of wealth by a cryptocurrency. Look at groupcurrency.org

When's the last time you voluntarily redistributed your wealth? It's certainly available today by literally making a donation to a non-profit, or hell, some homeless guy on the street. But people don't. No amount of crypto 'disruption' is going to change that.

Yesterday. I gave some homeless guys money for food.

I would rather live in a system where no one legitimately begs for food, because they have an app that eliminates food insecurity for everyone.

Do you know how much money is donated around the world every day, to hard hit areas, universities and so on? This can be done way better. Look at what GiveDirectly does in Africa. We can do better than that.

Watch the video at https://intercoin.org — this is not theoretical! We are doing it.

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I am so sick of this perpetual fallacy about labor shortages. If you can't find enough workers it means you need to raise the price you're offering. (But yasp the article cited one particular firm has already increased prices 15% this year.) Doesn't matter. There is a certain price at which the market will clear. If the market isn't clearing it's because the price being offered is too low. Keep trying.

Labor shortages absolutely exist. If there are 100 jobs requiring a specific skill and only 97 people exist who have that skill, that's a labor shortage. Those companies can compete for those workers all they want, but it doesn't magically create 3 new workers. Those shortages create opportunities and more people train to fill those gaps but it takes some amount of time before 3 new workers are available.

What you have described is not a labor shortage.

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Labor shortages absolutely exist. If there are 100 jobs requiring a specific skill and only 97 people exist who have that skill, that's a labor shortage. Those companies can compete for those workers all they want, but it doesn't magically create 3 new workers. Those shortages create opportunities and more people train to fill those gaps but it takes some amount of time before 3 new workers are available.

What you have described is not a labor shortage.

Please explain to me what a labor shortage is then, if it's not a shortage of labor.

Should I be using the more economically correct phrase 'scarcity of human capital'?

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That doesn't always work as is the case for farm work once you make immigration harder. How many Americans if given a choice would rather make $40K a year doing nice and comfortable office work than make $120K a year (yes I'm making up a number to make a point) to do back breaking manual labor in the hot sun? Not quite to that extreme, but I'm giving up money now by choosing not to go into management and stay a senio…

I, for one, would enjoy a physically challenging job spending time outdoors, learning about specialized equipment, hueristics for the business, if I felt like I was very well-paid and valued. Most such jobs seem to be marketed to push down salaries above all else, target the work at low-skilled candidates, generally have low-status perceptions in society, and hiring companies seem focused on finding ways to mitigate…

Technical director in a specialist engineering data science consultancy group here. The problem we face is a gap between customer expectation of skills and costs. We have a brilliant high-skilled team (15% post-doc, pretty much everyone else MSc in a STEM subject, loads of experience). Our customers like what we do (we are constantly recruiting), but they don't always realise that our fees are based on competing for talent against hedge funds and high-tech startups. It's a fine balancing act to get the right calibre of people at a price our market will bear.

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CEO salaries are not infinite; they are huge but not infinite. If Tim cook continues to ask for more and more and more eventually he will lose his job. But CEO salary has nothing to do with the `Talent`. Tim Cook, Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella all replaced their predecessors pretty well and will be replaced by someone better in future too. The real reason for high CEO salaries is mostly about risk associated with repl…

How can you write one comment that says both "CEO is not talent, they are replaceable cogs" and "CEO is key to both preserving the current value and creating the future growth of the company"?

CEOs are replaceable but there is a risk in that replacement. The high salaries of CEO mostly reflects that risk. You have not understood my beef with the use of word "infinite".

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Yes. That is point I have been making.

But you seem to think the price going up is a bad thing, when in fact it is simply supply and demand, and necessary for markets to function.

Not really. OP was arguing that there are no shortages, the companies are not willing offer more. I pointed out that if we were to accept that logic then we might as well stop using the word "shortage" as every shortage is likely to clear up if you pay more.

But the truck driver's worth is determined by market too so whenever someone says there is a shortage they mean shortage at a viable price point.

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I see your point, and it’s an interesting issue. Do marketing and managerial skill add real value to a product/service, or are they at best a necessary evil? I think there is a strong case to be made that they add value. One issue they solve is simply the communication of the existence and value of said product in an increasingly crowded and noisy world. To take everyone’s favorite example, look how Apple has consist…

The price of most things is a function of labor cost + materials + location where it's made + admin + delivery. In a perfect world, admin and delivery are nearly 0, the warehouse where it's made is once again as cheap as possible, and the materials and labor will decrease over time as more and more laborers acquire the skills necessary to make the product. This is why drone pilot income is rapidly plumetting, along w…

>The price of most things is a function of labor cost + materials + location where it's made + admin + delivery.

Sorry, but you are wrong. The price of a good is not a function of these. Price is a function of demand and supply. And demand and supply are in turn also a function of price.

For example, you cannot demand a salary based on the cost of your education. The market will decide what is the value of your labour.

Also, if you try to find a job in a saturated job market, you will understand the importance of "Sales". If you can't market yourself you wont find a job in a high-supply labor market however qualified you might be.

In a nutshell I think those who think Sales is "cruft" are the those who had it easy all their life, and who never had to compete with 100 guys half their skill.

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>Food prices do go up and down, and on each up, more people on the fringes of survivability die from lack of food, perhaps indirectly through disease. This really isn't true. In practice it may be, but that's due to inefficient allocation, not due to a lack of resources. We have enough food to feed the entire human population. A shortage would be if we didn't.

OK. There are often shortages of food allocation . Still shortages.

What does "shortage of food allocation" even mean? Problems with how food is allocated is completely different sort of problem than not having enough food.

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I, for one, would enjoy a physically challenging job spending time outdoors, learning about specialized equipment, hueristics for the business, if I felt like I was very well-paid and valued. Most such jobs seem to be marketed to push down salaries above all else, target the work at low-skilled candidates, generally have low-status perceptions in society, and hiring companies seem focused on finding ways to mitigate…

Technical director in a specialist engineering data science consultancy group here. The problem we face is a gap between customer expectation of skills and costs. We have a brilliant high-skilled team (15% post-doc, pretty much everyone else MSc in a STEM subject, loads of experience). Our customers like what we do (we are constantly recruiting), but they don't always realise that our fees are based on competing for…

I am a machine learning team manager, sounds similar to your role, but in a large traditional enterprise company. What I see more of is that big companies expect to be able to dictate wages to candidates completely independently of market compensation or competition for candidates.

One thing is that people up the food chain are usually rewarded for outwardly displaying one-sided emotional buy-in to the company's stated mission, to the point that their jobs largely consist of emotional labor, cheerleading every initiative, restructuring, TED talk, executive announcement, etc., as unequivocally "good", never "bad", and 100% forward-thinking genius.

Surely most of them have internal, private lives where they know this is nonsense, but they cannot let it be seen or even suspected. And as a result, their language must always be based in the presumption that any candidate in the world would be lucky to work for us, and would have to be a fool to choose to work somewhere else, and that if they turned us down for any reason at all, it must always mean their heart was in the wrong place and they were insincere and misguided to have any doubt about working for us.

When you are trying to create job requisitions, slides about growing a team, etc., and this is the sort of attitude you're going to face in the approval meetings, it is wickedly difficult. There's no way you can come right out and say we don't offer competitive salaries, because that would mean somehow "we are bad." And HR, whose job isn't tied to the actual productivity of my team, is more than happy to sycophantically agree with upper management, and try to spin the story that either it just takes time to find the right (read: unwittingly cheap) candidate, or else it's the technical team's fault for not doing a good job with interviews.

Then there will be some lengthy song and dance about hiring third party recruiters (who will tell them the same thing -- candidates who are good enough are not cheap enough), sexy new start-ups in the HR space, like HackerRank nonsense, or management consultants, followed by tenuous re-orgs, restructurings, constantly reworded job ads, tweaking of job titles, creating more and more "road maps" about what roles we see the team growing into, etc.

And after months, or even years, of wasted effort on all that junk overhead, we'll still just be lacking the basic productivity we need to create the basic business outcomes we need. Different managers will have quit or gotten promoted. Different start-ups will have gone out of business or popped into existence. Different consulting companies will offer new over-the-moon promises about finding talent. And it all just repeats.

When it comes to wages in these companies, the amounts it would take to hire a top-end candidate (say, maybe, $350K in total compensation or something) is absolutely trivial to the company's budget. They could pay thousands of people at that wage, even including overhead for benefits, etc.

It really has nothing to do with the wage. It's just about this perception that the company is entitled to get the labor it wants at whatever price it wants. Followed by great ideas being slowly bled to death by never-ending re-orgs, consultant engagements, and ever changing management personnel.

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