Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by fnordsensei » Mon, May 21, 2018, 5:25 AM UTC

cjcampbell wrote: post #203

fnordsensei wrote: post #199

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Is it possible to pay for a subscription and use a local vault? I've no problem with the business model, but I'd rather keep the data to myself. Edit: Answered my own question > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you p…

Yes it is. The new release even brings local vault to Windows.

From what I'm reading now, it seems like it's read-only. Only to get things from a vault onto their servers.

I still don't understand how the revenue model (subscriptions) necessitates the technical solution (cloud storage).

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cerberusss » Mon, May 21, 2018, 5:26 AM UTC

casefields wrote: post #355

archagon wrote: post #182

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As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

Bitwarden is the answer for your concerns. I've moved to it and never looked back. https://bitwarden.com

Interesting suggestion, thanks! Can you comment on how good the mobile apps work?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by fnordsensei » Mon, May 21, 2018, 5:36 AM UTC

roustem wrote: post #264

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> While it’s (still) possible to obtain the standalone versions, it’s difficult to find them. And I expect that in a few years, they’ll be gone completely They mentioned somewhere on their site (I don't remember exactly where...it might have been in an answer to a question on the forums) that one of the points of 1Password 7 is to bring the standalone versions up to parity with the subscription version. Right now, st…

Every release of 1Password includes both subscription and standalone features. The download is available here: https://1password.com/downloads/ We always try to implement the new features for both standalone and subscription customers, when it is possible. There are features that are based on the server doing the heavy lifting (permissions, travel mode, account recovery, backups, item history) and they are not availa…

Can I pay for a subscription and store my passwords locally?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cerberusss » Mon, May 21, 2018, 5:45 AM UTC

ketralnis wrote: post #338

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Most of the HN users reading this thread do understand the difference between licenses and subscriptions. It may seem strange but this is not the case for the vast majority of the users. We have customers emailing us about having a 1Password account/subscription since before 2015 (when we only had licenses). We originally started with offering both licenses and subscription as equal options. Here is how it looked: ht…

What is the future of dropbox sync between desktop and iOS? Am I right in assuming that since you keep only mentioning iCloud that it won't be possible? I can just decline to upgrade the desktop client, but I can't just choose to ignore updates to the iOS client.

Why can't you just turn off automatic updates?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cerberusss » Mon, May 21, 2018, 6:14 AM UTC

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It's super frustrating how vague and contradictory they're being about this :\ I understand why they're subscription-only for the mac app store, as a way around its insane lack of pricing flexibility. Makes sense, fully support, etc. But they seem to be continually pushing the non-cloud options further and further away from visibility :|

I get the impression that anything that is not on the agilebits cloud is legacy and they will eventually stop supporting the other options bit by bit, despite what they say on HN forums. I understand the attraction, from a software development standpoint it's much easier to make everything work well when you control the server and client software together.

This. The writing is on the wall ever since the subscription model hit. I'm holding out until stuff breaks, and then I'll transition to something open source for my very modest needs.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by microtonal » Mon, May 21, 2018, 6:27 AM UTC

beepbeepbeep1 wrote: post #315

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

I am a long time 1Password user, purchased Mac licenses, IOS and Android over the years. I was annoyed when it changed to being subscription based, the price wasn't an issue I think for the value it gives the price is fair, 1Password is the only thing now keeping me on a Mac. The issue i had with it is you don't own the software and when my credit card expired and i forgot to update it losing access to passwords even…

I was annoyed when it changed to being subscription based, the price wasn't an issue I think for the value it gives the price is fair, 1Password is the only thing now keeping me on a Mac.

1Password X works on Firefox and Chrome on Linux.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by tbyehl » Mon, May 21, 2018, 6:52 AM UTC

roustem wrote: post #252

kobayashi wrote: post #185

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Thank you for the info. If anyone is here from AgileBits/1Password please chime in.

Sure. 1Password for Mac had WLAN sync implemented in version 4 there is no reason for us to remove it. 1Password for Windows is a full rewrite and the new codebase never had WLAN sync. We wanted to see if people really need it when we announced 1Password 7 for Windows: https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-... I think so far we had about 90 people expressing interest in it. For a product with ov…

How many customers read your blog? That post has 225 comments. From that base, 90 people expressing interest in a feature sounds HUGE.

I don't care about that feature... but this HN thread is the first I'd noticed that 1Password 7 for Windows actually exists and finally brings back local vault support. I care very much about that. I'd have liked to know about that the minute a public beta landed. But... I spend approximately 0 minutes a day thinking about ways I could better engage with AgileBits.

Maybe y'all could spare some minutes to figure out how to better engage with me, a customer who gave you some money 3+ years ago and has hardly heard a peep from you since.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by sbuk » Mon, May 21, 2018, 7:28 AM UTC

reificator wrote: post #353

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Yes, you can export it as a CSV file. They even warn you that it’s not secure.

> They even warn you that it’s not secure. I don't think anyone who uses a password manager is exporting to CSV for security purposes.

I was trying to illustrate that not only can you extract data in an open format, they also are responsible enough to warn end users that the data is no longer encrypted. This isn’t for the benefit of your typical HN reader.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by isarat » Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:00 AM UTC

I was skeptical about going for subscription. I started when I travelled abroad where I followed Basecamp’s travel tips (handbook). Things have changed when I started using 1Password 7 and 1Password X. The apps is very polished and pretty handy. I use Linux a lot these days and 1PX and CLI is very helpful. Never regretted the cloud update upgrade.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by remybach » Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:37 AM UTC

0culus wrote: post #82

Although it's been said that they will continue supporting licenses through their website, they have made this feature _extremely_ difficult to find ever since introducing subscriptions. I've been a loyal user of 1Password for a long time, and I think it's great software. I use it on both my Macs, as well as on my iOS devices. However, hiding the non-subscription feature is silly. I do not wish to add yet another sub…

I switched over to Enpass (https://www.enpass.io/) not too long ago and it's been great. At the time (about 2 years ago), it had the best feature parity with 1Password and it's continually gotten better over time.