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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by s73v3r_ »

senthilnayagam wrote: post #36

I did not pay for a subscription software, I bought a password manager which stored password locally. I also don't want to pay for a upgrade just because apple upgraded the OS. I now only buy mac software on Mac App Store. Apps which I have not renewed include 1password, screenflow, textmate, vmware Fusion, Paid Products I wish were on Mac App Store with free updates. Sublime, Paragon NTFS , printopia

"Paid Products I wish were on Mac App Store with free updates"

Why should you get free updates, though?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

kobayashi wrote: post #185
kemayo wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't seem to have. It's still shown in 1Password 7's betas, anyway.

Thank you for the info. If anyone is here from AgileBits/1Password please chime in.

Sure. 1Password for Mac had WLAN sync implemented in version 4 there is no reason for us to remove it.

1Password for Windows is a full rewrite and the new codebase never had WLAN sync. We wanted to see if people really need it when we announced 1Password 7 for Windows: https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-...

I think so far we had about 90 people expressing interest in it. For a product with over 15 mln customers, that is a very low number.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by scarface74 »

nodamage wrote: post #247
scarface74 wrote: post #220

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Not impossible, hackish . You can emulate upgrade pricing via bundles. If you sold V1 for $5.00 and then you want to sell V2 to new customers for $5.00 but existing customers. You can bundle the two versions for $8.00 and in the description for V1 you tell them that version 2 is available and don't buy it. You tell customers that have bought V1 already to get the bundle for $3.

I thought bundles were only available on iOS, not Mac?

You are absolutely right. Yet another reason the Mac App Store is a dumpster fire....

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by davidcollantes »

bdcravens wrote: post #58
pvg wrote: post #51

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You can buy 1Password 7 standalone right now.

Where is that information on their website?

I think: https://app-updates.agilebits.com/download/OPM7/Y

> Those of you with a standalone license for version 6 will be prompted to subscribe or purchase a license when the beta first opens. Licenses will be available for $64.99 when we launch later this year, but are available now for only $39.99.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

DavideNL wrote: post #207
bpicolo wrote: post #41

While I could understand people being upset about this, I pay for a 1password family subscription. It really is a terrific investment. As far as subscription services go it's about the best bang for my buck that I get. A sustainable service model is important for something I rely on so much - especially something that needs to keep on security lockdown. Also makes it easy for the family to share hulu, netflix, whatno…

I wonder if it's so much better than for example Bitwarden for families, which is $1/month. ( https://bitwarden.com ) Also, the switch to the "1password cloud", instead of the already freely available iCloud/Google Cloud/Dropbox etc, just seems like a move to make people believe their expensive subscription are justified. There was absolutely no demand for a "1password cloud". This entire push to subscription-hell ma…

If you look at 1Password features, a lot of them are simply not feasible to implement without having a server-side component. Most of them revolve around sharing, permissions, automatic backups, account recovery, 2FA, etc.

Vault sharing is simply impossible with iCloud. Sharing with Dropbox requires manual set up of shared folders.

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Post by Nullabillity »

samatman wrote: post #195
archagon wrote: post #182

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As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

For me, something related: can I remove the data in a usable form? 1Password makes that easy, so like others here, I'm happy to pay them to perform the 'eternal vigilance' that secret-keeping entails.

For now...

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by sbuk »

samatman wrote: post #195
archagon wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

For me, something related: can I remove the data in a usable form? 1Password makes that easy, so like others here, I'm happy to pay them to perform the 'eternal vigilance' that secret-keeping entails.

Yes, you can export it as a CSV file. They even warn you that it’s not secure.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

ajmurmann wrote: post #96
bpicolo wrote: post #41

While I could understand people being upset about this, I pay for a 1password family subscription. It really is a terrific investment. As far as subscription services go it's about the best bang for my buck that I get. A sustainable service model is important for something I rely on so much - especially something that needs to keep on security lockdown. Also makes it easy for the family to share hulu, netflix, whatno…

What value does it provide beyond the old family license pack + syncing of shared vaults via free Dropbox tier?

For families:

* Must simpler setup for sharing

* Permissions (read-only vaults, etc)

* Secret Key that is used in addition to the master password to better protect data stored in the cloud

* Account recovery (can be done by the family organizer for other family members if they forget their password or lose the secret key)

* Travel mode

* Automatic backups

* Individual item history

* Multifactor Authentication (TOTP)

* Mac, Windows, Android, and iOS apps included

* Support for Linix and Chromebooks with the new 1Password X extension.

In addition to that, sync is faster and more reliable. There is no worries about Dropbox/iCloud throttling when you set up a new device, etc.

1Password Teams and Business have additional features that build on top of that.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Groxx »

kalleboo wrote: post #178
akerl_ wrote: post #42

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It's worth noting (and not super obvious because of their marketing) that "getting a subscription" and "using their cloud sync" are not a mutual requirement. You can pay via subscription and continue using local/Dropbox/etc vaults. This part was super confusing to me until I dug deeper when a friend upgraded. So the primary impact of switching from standalone license to subscription, if you're planning on using 1Pass…

The developer's comments on the article contradict what you're saying: > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you purchase a standalone license, or use our hosted service if you purchase a 1Password membership. > As it s…

It's super frustrating how vague and contradictory they're being about this :\

I understand why they're subscription-only for the mac app store, as a way around its insane lack of pricing flexibility. Makes sense, fully support, etc. But they seem to be continually pushing the non-cloud options further and further away from visibility :|

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by roustem »

chrischen wrote: post #217
cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

It sounds like you feel like you underpaid. Then the solution is for them to charge more or charge for more of their products, not a subscription. A subscription basically forces you into paying for upgrades. The only thing a subscription model is good for is it wrestes power from the consumer. With the traditional model if they decide to stop updating the app, you wouldn’t buy the next version, and that would be you…

You can look at it from a different perspective.

The customer could pay $5 and then cancel the subscription if they do not like the service.

With the license purchase they have to make a large commitment upfront.

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