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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by thecrazyone »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I also have many tabs open. Usually, 200+ because I research. Here's how the workflow goes:

- client asks for a say an audio player integration into an app

1. Research bunch of open-source audio player libraries available on Github. This is easily 20+tabs

2. Additional, sometimes temporary tabs get opened when researching individual libraries (like their documentation page, etc)

3. I want to pick a library, save the state if this research and go to implementation. (I create a new window)

4. Open documentation for the library or its Readme and start implementing, use Google, or stackoverflow.com as needed. Save state of this (don't) meaning, don't close it;nowadays i use bookmarks if it's a task i wont get back to soon)

Now, I'd have a bunch if tasks like this. Personal, professional, hobby projects, etc. Tabs should be cheap and should be lazy loaded. You should even be able to hibernate tabs manually (Vivaldi (chrome clone) let's you do this)

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by frik »

Koshkin wrote: post #74

Can anyone offer an explanation of why should not tabs be managed by the window manager? (My understanding is that this question is independent from how the particular application would choose to control the contents of a tab - whether directly, or through a separate thread, or by spawning a child process.)

We had that already. Opera was the first browser with tabs, it had MDI support and tabs. MDI stands for Multiple Document Interface, and was common with Win 3x and Win9x (WinAPI) applications: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interface .

Macromedia Dreamweaver had tabs even before Opera browser, as well as Frontpage. Word, Excel and PowerPoint used to be MDI applications up to Office 2010 (up to 2003 with a good UI, kind of hidden but still that way until 2010). Photoshop on Win, older Acrobat, mIRC, etc use MDI and have tabs as well. Win3x had all the auto arrange and different MDI modes, Win95 unfortunately broke the "icon" MDI mode, though the mode still exists but doesn't work in Win95 or later.

So it would be great if Chrome and other browsers would support MDI with tabs like the old Opera 4-6. Use could auto-arrange two tab-windows within the browser main window side by side or arrange them in any way you wanted by hand. Very unfortunately Microsoft lost all their proper devs from last century and with it all the previous inbuilt WinAPI knowledge - otherwise Win8 and Win10 trainwrecks would never have happened.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by cyphar »

kuschku wrote: post #200
franciscop wrote: post #127

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I hope it is locale-sensitive. US is the only country that uses mainly the mm/dd/yyyy. Most of the others use dd/mm/yyyy with some important exceptions (China, Japan, Korea) with yyyy/mm/dd (which happens to be the standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

actually, it’s almost never dd/mm/yyy, but dd.mm.yyy, and yyyy-mm-dd. Japan is one of the few offenders, almost everywhere else the separator can be used to identify the format.

Australia also uses DD/MM/YYYY. You see ISO dates here and there but it's not as common.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by vidyesh »

jcrben wrote: post #265
atombender wrote: post #233

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I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

I'm pretty happy with OneTab https://www.one-tab.com/

I just want one feature added to it, the ability to just add one tab instead of all open tabs.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Grue3 »

cpeterso wrote: post #213
vacri wrote: post #201

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Well, until they git rid of XUL add-ons in November/FF57, I live and die by the Tab Groups extension. I have a group of tabs for various things in AWS, a group for various things in my build system, a group for the various Jira and Confluence things, a group for mail and google docs, a group for my company's HR requirements (timesheeting), a group for programming docs, and any one of these groups can have additional…

"Simplified Tab Groups" [1] is a similar Firefox extension and the developer says [2] he intends to make it compatible with the new WebExtension API. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups/ [2] https://github.com/denschub/firefox-tabgroups/issues/60

Can it backup into a file/load tab groups from backup file? This is an essential feature of the current Tab Groups extension for me.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by lysium »

vidyesh wrote: post #374
jcrben wrote: post #265

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I'm pretty happy with OneTab https://www.one-tab.com/

I just want one feature added to it, the ability to just add one tab instead of all open tabs.

Right click on the page, select "only this tab to one tab"

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by ehnto »

atombender wrote: post #233
elorant wrote: post #162

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So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

I use separate browser windows across actual Ubuntu/centos work spaces to separate ny contexts.

My project context has a chrome window with all my task related tabs, my terminal window and my IDE. My communication context has my tickets, slack and other communications in it. Then there is one more context with podcasts, spotify or non project docs and reading.

It wasn't something I set out to achieve either, it just happened naturally once I started using shortcut keys to switch between workspaces.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by kronos29296 »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

100 tabs is too much but I use anywhere around 10 to 20 tabs at any given time. And chrome on windows hangs half the time while on linux chromium is slightly better. This too with just 5 or 6 extensions. If firefox really has these ridiculous speeds then I will switch to firefox in a heartbeat.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by kronos29296 »

bhnmmhmd wrote: post #346
atombender wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

"Session Buddy" on Chrome has been really useful for me. It lets you save and group open tas and windows, plus export them as list. (No affiliation) https://sessionbuddy.com/

I use onetab though it only saves the tabs and can only be exported as plain text but it fills all my needs.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by kronos29296 »

Tomis02 wrote: post #252
atombender wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

You had all that in the old Opera browser, but people liked slower and more resource-consuming alternatives better.

Opera was a damn fine browser. Used it upto version 12 from version 6 onwards. IE sucked during those days. All those widgets that nobody knew about. Opera was too ahead of its times and now it has moved to chromium which is really bad.
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