Live data from Hacker News

A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

medium.com

371–380 of 516 posts

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#371

This is exactly why we moved out of Firebase once it got acquired by google. We knew support would become nonexistent and we would also run the risk of Google shutting down the service for no good reason.

did you go to self hosted or is there a firebase style real time db provider that is already at scale? basically it would have to be AWS or Azure for me to feel comfortable. Does AWS have something now?

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#373
post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to fastmail a year ago and have never been happier. Their support also responds!

Well, to be perfectly honest, you are paying for Fastmail, while Gmail is free.

Sure, but the sentiment in this entire discussion is how unreliable googles paid for service is (never mind their free stuff - have you ever tried to get support from google for gmail or other feee service? From what I've heard it's like talking to a wall). I'd rather pay for good service than get unknown service for free.

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#374

[Firebase Founder here] I’m very sorry for the surprise and frustration experienced by the poster, especially due to problems working with Firebase support. We’re embarrassed by the level of communication on our side, and we’ll be working directly with this developer to resolve the issue. There are a couple of things I’d like to clarify for the group, to help folks understand what happened here, and hopefully help ot…

What about thousands of users that will not see this reply? The gymnastics that an average user needs to do in order to contact support are ridiculous, and according to many stories here, it mostly solves nothing. Your explanation is fair enough, but I assume you guys should make a solid plan for increasing support quality and make it more available.

As of wrongly billed resources - to be honest, you are half blamed for that. I often create apps and base on SAAS reporting to see if the script behaves as expected and uses as many resources as needed. You have misled developers to believe everything is alright and now you are punishing them. I would expect some credits for time being and "transition" period.

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to fastmail a year ago and have never been happier. Their support also responds!

http://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?p=599512 No angels anywhere.

That seems like a minor issue in comparison to the issues with google discussed here. I mean, sure, they should honour the lifetime membership, but is it really worth losing sleep over something you paid $15 for 15 years ago (at the time of that message)?

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#376
Does AWS (or I guess maybe Azure) offer a Firebase alternative?

For an IRC style public chat app (the popular Firebase use case), is there a simple-to-use AWS solution that doesn't involve setting up the software/configuring it?

If not, then is setting up DeepStream on an AWS the best answer?

Serious question. Is there something available that can scale as easily?

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#377
post #7

Pricing mistake 101: You never ever change those old plans. Instead, you grandfather them. Especially so if you're still a young platform and have most growth ahead of you, the "loss" of not charging the new - and supposedly higher - pricing is gonna be trivial 2 years from now, with lots of new projects coming in. But the NPS hit from pissing your most loyal users off and the subsequent damage to your growth curve a…

Pricing mistake 202: Relying on services that don't charge enough to be sustainable.

They will go bankrupt sooner or later, it's only a matter of when.

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#378
post #158
post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That South African hackable (in the good sense of the word) bank that's been making the rounds on HN might be able to do this. (I forget the name of the bank.)

https://root.co.za/

That's the one, thanks!

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#379
post #83

The detail that amazed me is the lack of visibility of the issue in reporting tools - it's all very well changing the terms, but not giving your customer any ability to see what is increasing the bill seems massively unfair.

Exactly the reason why I decided not to pay for Firebase and instead went with gradually rolling my own solutions. Their Realtime Database is extremely convenient and pretty useful for web apps, but there's no way to limit the connections and track bandwidth usage in real time. It's basically an open door for anyone with only your Security Rules to block data access. There's no logs to even see if your rules are work…

"Welll, we have this there chalkboard that we write what we think your price is. And some intern draws lines on a graph to match what we think it is. Oh, proof? Nahh, we dont do that. Oh, logs? Nope, you'll just have to trust us..."

Re: A startup’s Firebase bill suddenly increased from $25 to $1750 per month

#380

Does AWS (or I guess maybe Azure) offer a Firebase alternative? For an IRC style public chat app (the popular Firebase use case), is there a simple-to-use AWS solution that doesn't involve setting up the software/configuring it? If not, then is setting up DeepStream on an AWS the best answer? Serious question. Is there something available that can scale as easily?

Hmmm. Just checking and it looks like the EC2 data rates are $0.09GB up to 10TB and even less thereafter..

So.. if I understand correctly, Firebase is 10x more expensive??

It seems like it might be worthwhile to roll my own then..

Post reply on HN