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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by kasabali »

jacek wrote: post #235
vegardx wrote: post #151

It would be so much easier to love my Thinkpad T460s if it wasn't for the touchpad. Coming to Thinkpad and Linux after many years as a Mac-user this was almost a deal breaker for me. The palm detection in synaptic driver is laughable. People installing Linux on the new Macbook Pros are going to have a blast with that gigantic touchpad. And I don't even think it's just a driver problem, as the touchpad can register a…

If you have a very poor touchpad experience you are probably using synaptics driver. Replace it with libinput for much, much better feel (some distros use it as default including Fedora). I have the same problem with speakers though (X1 Yoga).

nope. stretch uses lininput by default and doesn't even install synaptics unless you ask it to.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by sandGorgon »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #346
sandGorgon wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is FUD. reduced battery has nothing to do with a convertible form factor. You are talking about the display resolution perhaps - QHD displays are obviously more power hungry than FHD. But then again, most people want "Retina". Software has largely matured for hotswap. Fedora 25 with kernel 4.9 is brilliant on a convertible. Windows has had it for decades. We already use the cheaper yoga and Dell inspiron convert…

> this is FUD. I wish people who stop using "FUD" as a synonym for "incorrect" or "wrong". FUD ("fear, uncertainty and doubt") is a disinformation strategy to undermine the opposition and "influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear" [1]. FUD was famously a tool used by Microsoft against its competitors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fe…

what's the right word for "you are suffering from FUD that Apple has inflicted"?

you are fudded?

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by sytelus »

andrepd wrote: post #322
sytelus wrote: post #308

I'm using Lenovo P50 for Linux development with duel boot to Windows. The trick to get duel boot right is to have two SSDs and install each OS on its own SSD. P50 supports two SSDs + 1 spinning drive. Besides this, its very likely only laptop with 64GB option and 4K display with descret NVidia GPU with 4GB memory so you can even do local deep learning!

>Besides this, its very likely only laptop with 64GB option and 4K display with descret NVidia GPU with 4GB memory It's isn't. Clevo, MSI, Razer, all offer high-performance options in their high-end models. The Clevos and the MSI with these specs don't start at $4k, I might add :P

Link? I have only see this with 32GB RAM.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by sytelus »

mahyarm wrote: post #327
ianamartin wrote: post #315

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Thank you for this. I think this is very likely to be my next hardware purchase. Didn't know such a thing existed yet.

There are a lot of laptops like that in the PC market, more skewed towards gamers. I like Dave 2D's youtube reviews (no affiliation) of laptops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLsDn59fxdQ He has a whole bunch more on his channel about others similar to that lenovo.

I've looked in to most major brands (Dell, Lenovo, HP, Razor) and can't find any offering with 64GB RAM + discret 4GB CUDA card + 4K resolution + 2 SSD + 1 spinning drive + Linux support.

If you know any other options, I would be happy to know.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by CyberFonic »

ianai wrote: post #269
jclardy wrote: post #198

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Similar story here. Used linux in my HS/early college years, but switched to Mac when the swapped to intel. Recently looked at the possibilities of using linux again, but haven't really found any hardware that "just works." There is that one dell ubuntu dev laptop, but that is a pretty expensive gamble at $1800. The best luck I've had for now is installing ubuntu on a crappy cheap Samsung Chromebook. Runs really well…

What chromebook and how hard was the install? I hear you on the display. My retina screen makes anything else painful.

I have a Samsung ARM (2 core, 2G RAM, 16G Flash) based ChromeBook, Model XE303C12. It's rather simple to get Linux to work on it. You first enable developer mode and then install Crouton (which basically runs a full fledged Linux in chroot jail - to satisfy the based Linux install.

It works exceptionally well and I generally get about 10 hours of use on each battery charge. I store my work in progress on a USB3 USB flash drive.

The screen is only 1366 x 768 and the touchpad is rather lousy. So given the shortcomings, I've gone back to using an old MBP. Maybe buying a second-hand MBA and installing Linux on that is the better option.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by [deleted] »

willtim wrote: post #362
Xylakant wrote: post #117

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The X1 does not offer docking stations nor does it offer the port range that a T460s offers (full ethernet, card reader, etc). The T460s is a few mm thicker than the X1 and about 200g heavier, but it shares a lot of hardware with and can use the same dock as the X260, T460 and T460p which is interesting if you're a business customer that wants to support a range of options from ultra-portable to powerful. If you're a…

The X1 does offer the OneLink+ docking station and soon will offer a TB3 docking station.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by ianai »

CyberFonic wrote: post #375
ianai wrote: post #269

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What chromebook and how hard was the install? I hear you on the display. My retina screen makes anything else painful.

I have a Samsung ARM (2 core, 2G RAM, 16G Flash) based ChromeBook, Model XE303C12. It's rather simple to get Linux to work on it. You first enable developer mode and then install Crouton (which basically runs a full fledged Linux in chroot jail - to satisfy the based Linux install. It works exceptionally well and I generally get about 10 hours of use on each battery charge. I store my work in progress on a USB3 USB f…

It really seems like only Apple can do touchpads. Thank you for the feedback! It saves me doing it and regretting it. Though some of them have better monitors.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by Havoc »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #340
Havoc wrote: post #158

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Weird - we've got an office full of x240s & x260s and they all seem fine from what I can tell. Never had a hardware related issue in ~2 years of use. Well except that one bluescreen a couple months back - that could be hw I guess. The screen res pisses me off though. :/

I am not saying that you cannot get a decent X260, but notice how now in every Thinkpad thread there is a significant number of "me / my team had a number of thinkpads, we've had to go through N replacements during the last year", whereas a few years ago they were the poster boy for reliability. Thinkpads now have the engineering/manufacturing tolerance of a low to mid range consumer laptop, even though they are supp…

>I am not saying that you cannot get a decent X260, but notice how now in every Thinkpad thread there is a significant number of "me

Well its subjective either way. We've got over 300 of the things in the office though, so more inclined to trust that than counting complaints in threads.

I'm sure there are better laptops out there but the x240/260s are far from duds. What they are though is old...office is replacing them with x1 carbons thankfully - with HD screens (finally).

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by ailideex »

mangecoeur wrote: post #190

As an ex-linux user and current mac user, I'm still frustrated by linux laptop hardware support. Ethernet ports that need to be re-plugged, suspend-to-disk not working... lots of glitches things that were already annoying 6-7 years ago but now are hard to justify compared with the polish you can expect from other systems. I could never go back from my macbook because I need everything to just work - no glitchy touchp…

I don't really have problems with any of these things ...

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Post by Fnoord »

phaedrix wrote: post #285
mangecoeur wrote: post #190

As an ex-linux user and current mac user, I'm still frustrated by linux laptop hardware support. Ethernet ports that need to be re-plugged, suspend-to-disk not working... lots of glitches things that were already annoying 6-7 years ago but now are hard to justify compared with the polish you can expect from other systems. I could never go back from my macbook because I need everything to just work - no glitchy touchp…

I recently switched back to Linux (ThinkPad/Arch/Kernel4.8) after 5 years using a Macbook Pro (after using linux for 5 years previously). Linux hardware support has become much better without a doubt. However just in the last couple days I've had the following sporadic issues: * External usb keyboard/mouse simply wouldn't work (and doesn't show up in lsusb). Restart fixed. * If left overnight, occasionally won't wake…

> * Macbook takes relatively forever to come back from sleep; thinkpad is practically immediate.

What about battery life?

Have you tried [1]? This is based on a HN comment. Explanations on the functions are also found here [2].

> * Macbook wireless constantly has issues connecting, to the point of having to turn off wireless and back on multiple times (this occurs often).

Which macOS version was this? Wasn't a related framework replaced recently? Or was that only DNS?

> * Opening many tabs in chrome on mac causes serious slowdowns. Have yet to see any slowdown on thinkpad even with 20-30 tabs. This also goes generally for mac beachball issues.

How much RAM is in the MBP? I had 100+ tabs open on a MBP 2010 (4 GB RAM default, replaced with 8 GB RAM, replaced 512 GB HDD with 256 GB SSD) and never had any issue with that after the hardware replacements. Are you comparing a 5 year old machine with a new one?

> In general, Arch/i3 combo is far better than MacOS for my needs (95% of time in terminal/browser).

Have you ever tried Homebrew (+ Cask) + Amethyst + iTerm2 + Tmux on the Mac?

[1] http://pastebin.com/F3Sh2mjY

[2] http://blog.taylormcgann.com/2012/07/05/hibernate-from-termi...

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