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Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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The x201 is a 12" ThinkPad model with i5 2.5 ghz, unfortunately only DDR2 but jam in an SSD and it's a crazy bargain for ~$100 on eBay. Coreboot support too if that's your kind of thing. Stay away from the tablet x201, forget that noise.

Why do ThinkPads have such terrible resale values? That's one point that makes Apple machines more appealing - in three years the resale value is still decent, drastically lowering the TCO.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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As an ex-linux user and current mac user, I'm still frustrated by linux laptop hardware support. Ethernet ports that need to be re-plugged, suspend-to-disk not working... lots of glitches things that were already annoying 6-7 years ago but now are hard to justify compared with the polish you can expect from other systems. I could never go back from my macbook because I need everything to just work - no glitchy touchp…

I still run Linux despite all the challenges and all the hardware constantly breaking and working just-not-right, because I just love the openness and I don't understand how can Apple (and windows) users survive without "apt-get". Homebrew is a poor substitute for me. I am basically using linux just for apt-get, the configurability and the ability to test server-side software in the same-ish environment as it will ac…

I've found apt-get compared to homebrew close to useless, it has rapidly outdated packages that have been modified and "fixed" in various ways by maintainers. It also does not properly separate two completely different concerns:

1. Provide a updates for a base installation, the details of which you essentially don't want care about (working drivers, recent kernel version, recent version of wayland/x11 etc.)

2. Provide a repository of curated, versioned and up-to-date software development dependencies

Apt-get does an adequate job at 1., although I have more than once broken my base installation because the binary graphics driver broke after an update, but not so much at 2.

Homebrew is good because you can completely mess up your installation and not effect the base system at all and it is a good starting point to get reasonably up to date development packages. It also offers a much smoother user experience than most package managers.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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If you are not sure if it has spyware installed, you also do not know what the spyware is doing exactly and it could potentially be worse than what the spyware you know of is doing. I guess I could argue that the former is actually worse. If you know spyware is installed, you can opt to remove it. If you are not aware of the existance of spyware on the system, and it happens to have spyware, you are more vulnerable.…

consider that "sure it has spyware installed" also includes "not sure if it has _other, 'unknown-unknown'_ spyware installed". it's strictly worse.

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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The datasheets are often outdated. See http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100923006778/en/Sams... for an example.

Yes, such things are often outdated, but the availability of different memory chips does not change existing hardware. The MC really doesn't support it, there is no way to change anything about that... I believe there were other chips at the time that supported more than 8 GB (i7-9xxM perhaps), but these are a different die (Clarksdale quad cores, ie. high end mobile chips that are selected desktop chips).

And here is another example (notice it almost works, proving there is no hardware limitation): http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/42426/can-i-upgrade...

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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> dodgy networking Had recurring wifi issues on a Macbook Pro as well (as did many of my co-workers)... Not saying it's great on Linux but I would hardly call the alternatives much better...

Same, after about 48 hours uptime my MacBook will start dropping network connection every few minutes. This can only be cured by a full reboot. The MacBook also regularly (at least once per week) drops all input devices (including built in keyboard and trackpad), which can only be cured by a hard power-strangle and reboot. My colleagues experience the same problems too. Basically, the ultra-reliable Mac is a myth, it…

Exact same experience. Roughly 48 hours of uptime and then I have to reboot in order to maintain a SSH connection.

That, and Finder that becomes unusably slow after working with images for a few hours. (Admittedly, tens of thousands of images, but it degrades to the point that merely opening an empty folder takes 2-3 seconds.)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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As an ex-linux user and current mac user, I'm still frustrated by linux laptop hardware support. Ethernet ports that need to be re-plugged, suspend-to-disk not working... lots of glitches things that were already annoying 6-7 years ago but now are hard to justify compared with the polish you can expect from other systems. I could never go back from my macbook because I need everything to just work - no glitchy touchp…

All operating systems suffer from similar random, minor, glitchy issues. I use all three extensively on a daily basis and while there are things I like about all three, there are also things I dislike about each of them.

Linux is generally a little worse. However, from my experience Windows and MacOS are approximately equally buggy in comparison to one another.

An example of an issue I have with my Macbook is that every single day I have to plug my network cable into it 2-4 times before it will recognize the connection.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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I'm using Lenovo P50 for Linux development with duel boot to Windows. The trick to get duel boot right is to have two SSDs and install each OS on its own SSD. P50 supports two SSDs + 1 spinning drive. Besides this, its very likely only laptop with 64GB option and 4K display with descret NVidia GPU with 4GB memory so you can even do local deep learning!

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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I still run Linux despite all the challenges and all the hardware constantly breaking and working just-not-right, because I just love the openness and I don't understand how can Apple (and windows) users survive without "apt-get". Homebrew is a poor substitute for me. I am basically using linux just for apt-get, the configurability and the ability to test server-side software in the same-ish environment as it will ac…

Being a current Linux and former macOS user, I actually miss Homebrew sometimes. It's much easier to get recent versions of software and also easier to set up your own repository (tap).

This is one of the reasons why Arch is so popular, AUR + a client has a very similar feeling to Homebrew.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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The x201 is a 12" ThinkPad model with i5 2.5 ghz, unfortunately only DDR2 but jam in an SSD and it's a crazy bargain for ~$100 on eBay. Coreboot support too if that's your kind of thing. Stay away from the tablet x201, forget that noise.

Core i5 would not be DDR2.

Correct, had too many machines on the bench this week.
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