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Simple. Don't work as an employee. This is the one industry where it really isn't that difficult. I took the leap 5 years ago and within 3 years quadrupled my income and have complete autonomy and freedom.

For those who like this idea, can we have a communication channel to ask how you did it?

Message me if you find one :D

Re: Developers’ side projects

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We are currently living in the current age, not several centuries ago. Should one accept terrible medical care, as such care would be considered revolutionary a few centuries ago? Additionally, there were people back then whose intellectual output was their own and were able to do things with that output.

Joel also wrote that as a contractor you own all the copyright by default, and it is your free will to sell it. That is your choice to sign up for contract and let the company take over. If you do not want that, simply do your buisness on your own and don't look for work for someone else.

For downwvoters, I am from Poland I live in Netherlands. I am all in for personal freedom. I cry when freedom is taken away from people. It is about beeing more educated, knowing your options. Not just signing up with big corp because you will get more money. It is about you can loose some of your money because you choose freedom.

Please upvote it. Don't be like a child who wants to have cookie and eat cookie, it is You loose some money in return you get freedom. Those who want money can get all they want, but you loose something more valuable. You can't have all the money and all the freedom...

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Yup, but if you don't you need to understand how bad your state is fucking you by seeing how good we have it in California.

On the other hand, in Texas my quite nice house cost less than $300,000, my state government is totally solvent, and very little is on fire or running out of water. Your standard contracts may be better, but California certainly has its share of drawbacks. And did you know there's a Fry's and an In-N-Out burger within ten miles of my house?

Well now that Fry's and In-N-Out are there... maybe I'll move.

Seriously though, the state of contract law regarding this stuff in most states is purely predatory for large companies and hurts innovation.

Re: Developers’ side projects

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You ALL need to read California Labor Code 2870! Surprised nobody has mentioned the most essential thing to know about regarding this stuff in California. The site is down at the moment, but the link is: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&gr... CA 2870 is attached to any such agreement you sign in California, and protects independent invention. You should read it. This law forms the legal basis…

The leginfo.ca.gov site has been deprecated for awhile. The current code is here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...

Thanks, google is slow to update!

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The leginfo.ca.gov site has been deprecated for awhile. The current code is here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...

Thanks, google is slow to update!

It would help if their webmaster would just take down or outright forward the old URL, which goes back to 1995. It's been deprecated since at least early 2016.

Re: Developers’ side projects

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I was at a larger company and tried to play ball with their policies for personal work. My contract gave them "right of first refusal" and had a space for exclusions of things you were working on outside of work. Some friends weren't allowed to continue contributing to a few Open Source projects...which seemed excessive, but makes sense if they're overly cautious. I mentioned I was helping a friend on a short film. I…

This situation sounds terrible. Were you writing software for your employer? Why would you have told them you were volunteering non-coding assistance to a film production? Did they honestly think they had the right to require you show them copyrightable works created by other people who were not their employees? Did you truly take those creations and show them to your employer? This whole situation sounds ludicrous a…

It was a large animation studio and I was a guy who monitored their render farm. So they were making content and I would write tools (Python, Perl, and Shell scripts) and did have access to their whole codebase.

I told them because there was a box in my contract (I was new to the industry) and the last thing I wanted was to have my friend's short film litigated against.

It's weird because I'm not sure what I'd do different. In that case I probably wouldn't tell them, but I often have side projects that might be profitable. Often I'd see artists working on short-films or publishing their own art books and they would sometimes be internal events promoting those things. I'm not sure if there was just some "understanding" I didn't quite get or if tech and art were treated separately.

Re: Developers’ side projects

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Simple. Don't work as an employee. This is the one industry where it really isn't that difficult. I took the leap 5 years ago and within 3 years quadrupled my income and have complete autonomy and freedom.

For those who like this idea, can we have a communication channel to ask how you did it?

Blog post might be more efficient.

Re: Developers’ side projects

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Simple. Don't work as an employee. This is the one industry where it really isn't that difficult. I took the leap 5 years ago and within 3 years quadrupled my income and have complete autonomy and freedom.

For those who like this idea, can we have a communication channel to ask how you did it?

+1 me too.

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I'm in this exact situation right now where I worked as a developer for a small company. I did a side project, and they demanded I hand over the project so they benefit from it. I refused, and we are deep in a costly legal battle. But it is a matter of principal that I won't let those a*holes benefit from something I did at home, on my equipment, without any of their IP, and unrelated to the work I did. I can tell you I've learnt a valuable lesson and will never sign an generic software development employment contract like that again.

Re: Developers’ side projects

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Simple. Don't work as an employee. This is the one industry where it really isn't that difficult. I took the leap 5 years ago and within 3 years quadrupled my income and have complete autonomy and freedom.

For those who like this idea, can we have a communication channel to ask how you did it?

Interested too
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