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Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by daigoba66 »

fit2rule wrote: post #170

This demonstrates the importance of documentation in the framework wars. What could Microsoft possibly gain from open-sourcing .NET? They already have a few thousand great developers working on their jeweled prize, designed to lure developers to the brand as resolutely, and immutably, as possible. .NET going open source is Microsoft admitting that, despite its best efforts, developers still want to know whats going o…

To be fair, the source code for most of the core .NET libraries has been freely available under a "reference source license" for a very long time now. You could look behind the curtain, you just can't modify or redistribute.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by honeybooboo123 »

jacquesm wrote: post #77

It's funny how Nadella has moved the needle more for developers in 9 months than Ballmer did in the last decade or so, and all that without running around like a madman too. Pretty good. I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past but it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system. Google and Apple need some other party to keep them sharp, it might as well be MS…

> it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system

They're just trying some desperate measures to stay relevant. You already know MS is institutionally evil.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by freehunter »

jacquesm wrote: post #344
freehunter wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point there is literally nothing Microsoft can do to win these people over. They've done everything they could do short of porting the Windows UI to Linux (and even then... this and Powershell brings it pretty close). They're a huge contributor to open source, they support Linux pretty heavily on Azure, they open sourced their .NET as seen here, they listened to their customers on Windows 10, they're doing gr…

> That was 20 years ago. Fucking get over it. Microsoft sure has. Some stuff from 2014, maybe that will help you to see that Microsoft has definitely not 'gotten over it': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8596869 And that's just a very limited list.

>"a bribery scandal involving distributors selling Microsoft products"

I'm not sure Best Buy reflects that poorly on Microsoft.

>"They reportedly have raised over $5.5 billion from many large companies including Microsoft, Intel, Sony, Nokia, Apple, Google, Yahoo, American Express, Adobe, SAP, Nvidia, and eBay, plus investment firms such as Stanford, Hewlett Foundation, Mayo Clinic, and Charles River Ventures."

Again, doesn't reflect that poorly on Microsoft.

>Munich reverses course, may ditch Linux for Microsoft

Is a software sales company supposed to not sell software? That's what they do. How does that reflect poorly on them?

You're hating a corporation for doing what corporations do, and hating a tech company for things tech companies do. Like I said, it's time to get over it or just shut the hell up and ignore it. I understand that your religion tells you to hate Microsoft. But some of us don't subscribe to that line of thinking, and you're ruining it for the rest of us by controlling conversations and shutting down discussions.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by freehunter »

jacquesm wrote: post #289
tolmasky wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like countries, it doesn't necessarily make sense to treat companies like people when it comes to reputation. You shouldn't hold a grudge against a country forever, many of the people inside of it may have disagreed with its actions and more importantly the leadership could be completely different now. Similalrly, if most of the employees at Microsoft today are different than in the 90s and the leadership is com…

This is absolutely true but even in the present Microsoft has anything but clean hands: http://euobserver.com/political/125868 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Ventures http://www.networkworld.com/article/2466540/software/munich-... And on and on.

>"a bribery scandal involving distributors selling Microsoft products"

I'm not sure Best Buy reflects that poorly on Microsoft.

>"They reportedly have raised over $5.5 billion from many large companies including Microsoft, Intel, Sony, Nokia, Apple, Google, Yahoo, American Express, Adobe, SAP, Nvidia, and eBay, plus investment firms such as Stanford, Hewlett Foundation, Mayo Clinic, and Charles River Ventures."

Again, doesn't reflect that poorly on Microsoft.

>Munich reverses course, may ditch Linux for Microsoft

Is a software sales company supposed to not sell software? That's what they do. How does that reflect poorly on them?

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by shmerl »

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #224

I feel like the last couple years I've been cheerleading for MS and telling people how much they've changed, how open things are becoming, and how awesome the development experience is. It's fallen on deaf ears or met with resistance, but today's announcements are really gonna drive the point home. Developers need to start looking more seriously at C#/.Net. The Scotts (Hanselman/Guthrie), Miguel De Icaza and so many…

> Developers need to start looking more seriously at C#/.Net.

I don't think they need to. They might if they have some particular need in it, but there are way more interesting things to learn if you are interested in something new, like Rust of example.

Re: Microsoft takes .NET open source and cross-platform

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Post by Touche »

pjmlp wrote: post #308
pjc50 wrote: post #138

The politics of this are interesting, and IMO related to the decline of the PC as a platform. Suddenly Microsoft is the outsider crying for "openness" and "freedom" while hammering on the gates of the Google/Apple ecosystem. For Microsoft, it's less bad if everyone switches to an uncontrolled platform than if they switch to a platform locked in by a competitor. The embrace/extend/extinguish logic works the other way…

> Suddenly Microsoft is the outsider crying for "openness" and "freedom" while hammering on the gates of the Google/Apple ecosystem. Just like Apple. Apple only became open source friend after being acquired by NeXT (this is actually what happened inside). The old Apple from the Mac OS 1 - 9 days was anything but open.

I'm skeptical that Apple is currently very open source friendly. I'd like to see some statistics of what % of their software products are open source (including libraries and tooling of course) compared to other companies. I'd like to see what % of their open source products were built from scratch by Apple (not through acquisitions/hiring like with LLVM).
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