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Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by Loughla »

flumbaps wrote: post #350
vacri wrote: post #223

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Hipsterism itself is thinly-veiled bullying - it's essentially "I'm cool and you're not". It's like before Apple became really popular, some users exhibited a 'smug field', where they considered themselves better people for using this elite product, being part of those 'in the know', and were just better than you. I have an aunt who was like that, who would mock me for not using Apple... yet she couldn't articulate w…

"Putting on airs" is not bullying. Being smug is not bullying. Your Aunt mocking you could be a form of bullying, however, I strongly doubt that your Aunt is representative of the hipster movement.

Being smug and putting on airs are bullying. Subtle, but still bullying. It's exclusionary and it's condescending.

Imagine this: Young nerdy guy sees incredibly popular hipster guy in his high school listening to some band, I don't know WAM! or whatever the kids listen to these days. Either way, young nerdy guy LOVES that band, but has only recently started listening to it.

So he decides to strike up a conversation with popular hipster about WAM's newest album. Popular hipster shuts him down simply by saying, "Oh, yeah, that album's okay, if you like mainstream sounds, but I've been listening to them for like 5 years now. You should hear their unreleased Japanese single called 'Kuma o tabetai'." Young nerd now has nothing to talk about, and shambles away.

Not OVERT bullying, but it is absolutely asserting dominance in an aggressive way through exclusion.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by dobbsbob »

xvolter wrote: post #136
jmduke wrote: post #120

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Reddit is visited by tens of millions of people of virtually every demographic. Corralling them as "internet nerds" seems a bit like you're trying for some bullying yourself. The post to which you're replying didn't even mention Reddit. Reddit is by no means the only place where a nerdy demographic (and I'll define 'nerdy demographic' as 18-25 that skew towards STEM education and exhibit above-average internet usage)…

The article mentions Reddit being the place where C.D. Hermelin was textually abused for being a hipster; or more accurately, accused of being a hipster solely because he was using a typewriter. Reddit is the only place where the internet nerds in discussion come from. Reddit however is not made up of internet nerds. Reddit is made up of average joes who know enough about computers to register at facebook and reddit.…

Reddit was primarily made up of hipsters who all migrated there to circle jerk from /r9k on 4chan

Hipsterdom doesn't even exist anymore, VICE/dov charney declared it dead in 2007. This guy brings a typewriter to the park to get attention and it worked.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by zamryok »

potatolicious wrote: post #7

Hipster-hate strikes me as just another thinly veiled form of bullying, and it's interesting to see how readily internet nerds - the people who are disproportionately to have been bullied in the past - engage in it. Look! He's different! Let's make assumptions about his motivations and get him! It's also interesting to see how many times Reddit (and other communities) fly into a rage-fest because of lack of context,…

It amazes me how so many commenters here can miss an essential point about hipsters and hipster-hate. Hipster-hate is more than bullying, it can be understood if we consider that socio-economic classes are at war with each other: in this understanding, hipsters are the ones that have crossed the trench lines. They're percieved as people who mostly come from a wealthy white background, from which they want to be independent, but which gives them a certain legacy and advantage over non-white poor people. This helps them colonize/gentrify poor neighborhoods, thus pushing the prices up and paving the way for the city to push it's poor further away. Not to mention the fact that they are easy targets from the traditional upper class who percieves them as "willfully bohemian". We have the same kind of hate here in France for our "bobos". Hipster hate has a material economic basis.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by GhotiFish »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #359
GhotiFish wrote: post #308

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Please get them away from the internet, defending them will do literally nothing. Bullying in schools is awful because children have absolutely no recourse. They can't get away, they are forced in day after day. They have no tools to mediate conflict. Bullying on the internet is trivial, you arn't trapped, you arn't forced into these situations. You can hide if you want to. You don't have to reveal who you are. You c…

> This article is about someone who suck his neck waaaay out, and got his head bashed in for it. Don't do that. No. No no no no no no no. You're saying what happened to him was justified, or that it should be expected. This is wrong. Nobody should have to change their life to avoid being abused. Instead, we as human beings should stop the abuse. Here are some examples of your position put in other situations: Don't d…

Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes.

   Instead, we as human beings should stop the abuse.
you can't be serious. Tell me, how do you intend to elevate the bottom 0.1% of humanity?

If you pretend like it doesn't exist, you will get burned. If you didn't know and you got burned, then you have my sympathies, but there is nothing that can be done.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by eshvk »

sp332 wrote: post #347
eshvk wrote: post #319

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I don't understand your definitions of sincerity, pretentious or vain. I attempted to, by asking you a sequence of questions. They only confuse me further. My only intuition is that you think _vain_, _sincere_ or _pretentious_ are absolute. I think they are relative. E.g. you spending time not working in a cotton field 20 hours of a day to feed your family might be seen as the vain games of the rich by a farmer in th…

It's pretty fuzzy, which is why I was surprised when the author claimed that it was about radical sincerity.

I went back and re-read the paragraph. My understanding of it was that the author opined that things like artisan foods were a sincere expression, an output from a human being who believed truly that this was something that they were doing for themselves as opposed to say doing it to appear "cool". Now, I don't personally claim to have any special intuition of those who make artisan foods considering I have never interacted with and figured out why people do such things. I presume they like the rest of humanity have a wide range of reasons.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by GhotiFish »

aaron695 wrote: post #291
drcode wrote: post #268

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I don't know if you've ever had to do any significant writing on a manual typewriter, but it is a very difficult process. It would much, much easier to write it out long hand (he has great hand writing, as can be seen on his sign.). Even better would be to write it up o a laptop, let the customer view it on the screen, then email it to them later. Or, write it up on a phone with a $20 Bluetooth keyboard and email it…

You seriously think you can't type on a typewriter? As to doing it electronicly, he deals with that issue, a electronic story email would have little value to most people. ---------------- My favorite exchange was between “I_thrive_on_apathy” and “dlins”: i_thrive_on_apathy: What the fuck is he going to do with that typed page? Scan it? Dlins: you do realize things have value even if they're not digitized, right? i_t…

no seriously. Huh?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by GhotiFish »

user24 wrote: post #325
GhotiFish wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please get them away from the internet, defending them will do literally nothing. Bullying in schools is awful because children have absolutely no recourse. They can't get away, they are forced in day after day. They have no tools to mediate conflict. Bullying on the internet is trivial, you arn't trapped, you arn't forced into these situations. You can hide if you want to. You don't have to reveal who you are. You c…

> Bullying on the internet is trivial, you arn't trapped, you arn't forced into these situations. You can hide if you want to. Yeah, just stop going online, it's so simple! I know almost your entire social life is online, and the identities we create online are increasingly hard-linked to our real life identities, but all you have to do is exclude yourself from everything that you enjoy doing online and you'll be fin…

Now you know exactly why hard-linking your life online is such a horrifying thing to do. You expose yourself to humanity. Bottom 0.1% included.

There's lots to do online that doesn't require a hard link to real life, and everything that does require a hard link should be looked at with the most rigorous of scrutiny and suspicion.

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by sequoia »

Torgo wrote: post #221
sequoia wrote: post #153

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> Because I got treated like dog shit by the exact same class of person who now dresses in a parody of my life What suggests to you that these are the same people? Like, if I wore lensless glasses for kicks, would that put me into the "high school bully" class? You're doing what TFA complains about: making assumptions about people & speaking ill of them because of how they dress. Why make assumptions? Why get mad bec…

Because it's not arbitrary. I didn't get punched in the guts when I was a kid because I was wearing tight pants driving a pennyfarthing. I was punched in the guts because I was a "nerd" which meant "not cool." So when someone copies the cartoon version of me to be "cool" I'm entitled to be annoyed. I was who I was, I wasn't trying to fit an "image." Unlike hipsters, which are a real thing, I didn't get the privilege…

> I was punched in the guts because I was a "nerd" which meant "not cool." So when someone copies the cartoon version of me to be "cool" I'm entitled to be annoyed.

I'm not sure how old you are & I apologize if this comes off as patronizing, but I promise you'll be happier when you let go of some of this stuff. You're getting pissed off at some guy on a fixie with a "Chthulu is my Homeboy" shirt on because you got bullied in high school for wearing glasses? Two reasons not to do this:

1) It's arbitrary: you don't know if the fixie guy was a bully or bullied as a kid, if it even matters; you're just hating some random person who has nothing to do with your childhood.

2) There is a cost and probably no benefit: being bitter and angry at people is not free of cost- it can make you feel bad, increase your stress, and make other people not want to be around you. What's the cost/benefit ratio on hating PBR drinkers?

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by chronic25 »

gioele wrote: post #339
jmduke wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is visited by tens of millions of people of virtually every demographic. Corralling them as "internet nerds" seems a bit like you're trying for some bullying yourself. The post to which you're replying didn't even mention Reddit. Reddit is by no means the only place where a nerdy demographic (and I'll define 'nerdy demographic' as 18-25 that skew towards STEM education and exhibit above-average internet usage)…

> above-average internet usage I doubt that internet usage is any longer a measure of how "nerdy" a person is. There are teenagers, especially girls, constantly using internet-based services from their cell phones to communicate with other people for most of the time they spend awake [1,2,3]. Would you call them "nerdy"? I doubt. [1] http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/social-media/... [2] Madden, Mary; Le…

owned

Re: I Am An Object Of Internet Ridicule, Ask Me Anything

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #218
Nursie wrote: post #210

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Wait until you get here, you'll find the young'uns unbearable to be around too. Just seems to happen...

I'm sure that'll happen, as I have no reason to believe I'm better than anyone else. I hope I'll have the self-awareness not to judge them for judging people, though, or at least to do it in a more measured fashion.

Judging people for judging people is the last acceptable judgementalism!

I don't think it is bad though.

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