Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

cnbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 503 posts

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#361

Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #84
conception wrote: post #19

This is pretty easy to solve. If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present. If the user decides you don’t, ala social media 1.0.

> If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present Hacker News is a site that presents data by algorithm. Under your definition, Hacker News goes away, too. A more accurate framing would be that they’re going after personalized recommendation algorithms. It’s not obvious that offering a recommendation algorithm would mean that the site is no lo…

[deleted]

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#362

Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

conception wrote: post #19

This is pretty easy to solve. If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present. If the user decides you don’t, ala social media 1.0.

So...repeal Section 230? I like it!

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#363

Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #84
conception wrote: post #19

This is pretty easy to solve. If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present. If the user decides you don’t, ala social media 1.0.

> If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present Hacker News is a site that presents data by algorithm. Under your definition, Hacker News goes away, too. A more accurate framing would be that they’re going after personalized recommendation algorithms. It’s not obvious that offering a recommendation algorithm would mean that the site is no lo…

[deleted]

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#364

Post by specialist »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #180
kubb wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is some kind of a meme where people believe things can’t be defined in legal terms and therefore can’t be regulated. These people are usually not lawyers. Does anyone know where it’s coming from? I can certainly believe that incompetent jurisdictions have a ton of issues with people misapplying the law and using loopholes.

The point isn't that it can't be regulated. What the original comment said was > This is pretty easy to solve. If you present data by algorithm, you are no longer an impartial common carrier and are liable for the content you present. But this is not in fact easy. It's hard to define what "present data by algorithm" means in a coherent way, and it's hard to extend liability for the content you present to liability fo…

Who has agency in the relationship, server or client.

Said another way: push vs pull.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#366

Post by pibaker »

Aurornis wrote: post #120
criddell wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the radio I heard a reporter talking about things China does during school exams. Apparently all schools have exams at the same time and during that period, social media shuts down at night. I forget the exact hours (10pm - 6am maybe). I'm starting to think that would be a great policy in general for everybody. I think they also said AI companies go offline during exam hours, but I may have got that wrong.

Absolutely wild that we’re seeing proposals to shut down parts of the internet and regulate when people can talk to each other on social platforms as a real suggestion on HN. I feel like we’ve completely lost the plot when we’re starting to invite government partial Internet shutdowns as a good idea. This is a totalitarian government play.

It becomes even more wild when you put it next to the response to cloudflare getting blocked in certain European countries during sports matches.

People love to ask the big government daddy to step on them and when it actually happens they start wondering why would any sane person want that.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#367

Post by prmoustache »

Aurornis wrote: post #120
criddell wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the radio I heard a reporter talking about things China does during school exams. Apparently all schools have exams at the same time and during that period, social media shuts down at night. I forget the exact hours (10pm - 6am maybe). I'm starting to think that would be a great policy in general for everybody. I think they also said AI companies go offline during exam hours, but I may have got that wrong.

Absolutely wild that we’re seeing proposals to shut down parts of the internet and regulate when people can talk to each other on social platforms as a real suggestion on HN. I feel like we’ve completely lost the plot when we’re starting to invite government partial Internet shutdowns as a good idea. This is a totalitarian government play.

> This is a totalitarian government play.

Putting China aside, and regardless about one's opinion on the aformentionned measure, I think you need first to learn the concept about totalitarian governement and representative democracy before trying to use those words because you clearly don't know what these are.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#368

Post by xboxnolifes »

Pesthuf wrote: post #23

Tell me: why are these algorithms suddenly okay when the victim turns 18? They are bad for everyone and if you’re willing to regulate them, make them illegal to be used on anyone.

The idea is that underdeveloped brains are less capable to make correct choices. Why do we suddenly make people responsible for their actions at 18?

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#369

Post by throwaway902984 »

xigoi wrote: post #360
throwaway902984 wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which would lead to everyone having their own personalized front page? Not controlled by dang so much but still.

Not being controlled by the website owner is the point.

Yeah for sure, I see what you were saying. Changing that part might not achieve the desired effect though is what I was saying. Context dependent on the site here of course, but in a general sense I could see meta et al. being nonplussed by this to a significant extent.

Re: EU to crack down on TikTok, Instagram's 'addictive design' targeting kids

#370

Post by pibaker »

criddell wrote: post #56
kgwxd wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an adult, who despises all those apps, I don't want to grant government the power to make that decision for me.

An an adult, do you also believe seat belt laws are a bad thing?

Seatbelt laws have very limited impact outside vehicle safety. Nor does it open a slippery slope that leads to buses and trains and elevators and dining chairs and beds getting their own seatbelts.

Regulation on speech threatens the basis of democracy. The fact that the countries pushing them most successfully (UK, Australia) are also the ones with serious freedom of speech problems compared to their Western peers should also tell you that no, they will not stop at throwing you in jail for memes on twitter.

Post reply on HN