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Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Given all the negative comments here - what is anyone's alternate solution for AI-driven fraudulent activity? CAPTCHAs are increasingly ineffective. Services are either going to go offline or implement some kind of system like this. PII like credit cards or SSNs aren't enough because those are regularly stolen. So where do things go? Fewer services and infinite fraud?

Make people pay money instead of watching ads.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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There are several possible reasons, so I'd need links to the specific posts in order to answer.

Mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48065850 There was another sibling comment posted around the same time that was also dead.

Your comment was autokilled because our software classified it as AI-generated :) It was a false positive and another user has since vouched for it.

For the record: we never delete anything, aside from very rare cases in which a user asks us to delete something for privacy reasons. Plenty of posts get killed by flags or software filters (spam, abuse, etc), but these can all be seen by turning 'showdead' on in your profile.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Looks like the moderators are actively deleting comments that call out AI generated articles now. Grim. This comment will probably be deleted too.

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Quite the opposite. That user's comment was killed because it was classified as AI-generated. Of course it was a false positive due to the AI-generated text they quoted. These systems aren't foolproof. But we're very serious about preserving HN for curious conversation between humans.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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I strongly suggest people move away from chrome. They lost all sense of respect. I know it is a small move, but as it happened when chrome started, this opens opportunities for other players

I really tried to switch off Chrome when they broke ad blockers, I gave it a good few months trying out alternatives but I really don't like any of the other browsers. I do primarily use Safari on my Mac, but on Windows where I don't have that option, I don't like any of the big players, and I don't really trust the smaller players. Even the "big" smaller players are not that trustworthy when it comes to security, li…

It is understandable but you can also use a simpler browser for common things and use chrome for banking or things like that

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It's less work than 10 years ago. So many much more mature alternatives.

The technical challenge is actually the smaller one. The real one is to get people to care. Don't be tricked by the HN/techie bubble. Most people don't understand the problem, or don't see it as a problem because nothing smacked them in the face yet. Any attempts to explain it makes you sound like a lunatic to some, or just a bit of a worrier to others. Whether it's targeted ads, or training AI on their data, or veri…

"Technical" isn't really what I meant in the first place. It's about convenience/UX. Lots of OSS has been technically great but very lacking in that part, understandably.

The prime recent example of this is gamers. I've seen many people say a version of this: "I tried Linux before but it was too complicated/didn't run most games/when I ran into something I had no idea how to solve it, so I just went straight back to Windows. Now I installed Bazzite cause I was fed up with Win11 and I'm super happy with it. If I do run into a problem I just ask AI and it solves it".

I've genuinely seen dozens of comments similar to this. The fact is that there needs to be a very convenient and user-friendly alternative ready to go for the moment that some people do start to care. You need both just as much as each other. And until very recently, those alternatives didn't exist, not at the level of convenience required.

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I think I'd have to be working at Google to afford a family and/or mortgage!

Funny, that's indeed their argument, but it's quite easy to point to the billions of people with families and mortgages who don't work at Google.

Of course the Googlers flagged me for touching a nerve, as is par for the course.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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You realize that $30 phone is burned the moment it's used for abuse, right? It's not $30 and then spam as much as you like. It's $30 per action per site, which makes nearly all abuse unviable.

You realize how rife abuse already is using google's infra? Do you really think google's gonna be right there, cracking down on this? This is at least as much about locking people into their infra as it is cracking down on fraud, and anybody who doesn't recognize that is at this point willfully blinding themselves.

Yes. I used to work on Google's abuse team and am 100% aware of how much worse things would be if they actually didn't fight it.

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The technical challenge is actually the smaller one. The real one is to get people to care. Don't be tricked by the HN/techie bubble. Most people don't understand the problem, or don't see it as a problem because nothing smacked them in the face yet. Any attempts to explain it makes you sound like a lunatic to some, or just a bit of a worrier to others. Whether it's targeted ads, or training AI on their data, or veri…

"Technical" isn't really what I meant in the first place. It's about convenience/UX. Lots of OSS has been technically great but very lacking in that part, understandably. The prime recent example of this is gamers. I've seen many people say a version of this: "I tried Linux before but it was too complicated/didn't run most games/when I ran into something I had no idea how to solve it, so I just went straight back to…

For me "technical" meant relating to the technology (tool, product, interface, ecosystem, etc.) rather than the person.

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No they didn't. Firefox unseated Internet Explorer. Chrome then got big by putting its installer right on the Google homepage and harassing users to install it. And they had it bundled with other software, and would install as a user so that locked down computers could still run it. They absolutely did not win by embracing open standards.

Chrome has gone off doing their own standards to some extent, but you're forgetting what it was like when Internet Explorer dominated. You basically couldn't use the web without IE because they broke so many standards and implemented them in closed source. Then there was ActiveX on top, straight up Windows binaries in web. And besides there being a dominant engine, only one browser could use that engine. Trading that…

I just got a Docusign and it didn't work in Firefox, I had to use Chrome. That's a huge blow right there. (I sent negative feedback about this to Docusign.)
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