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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by nicce »

otterley wrote: post #72
walletdrainer wrote: post #3

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These are private actors. It's not acceptable to harass people for building things that are lawful but that you don't like. If you don't like this functionality, participate in democracy and work with your representatives to make it unlawful. But be prepared to humbly lose if the majority disagrees with you. You're not, however, entitled to a "heckler's veto."

Nobody is asking for harassment. Social ignorance is usually enough. Like, nobody wanting to date, be a friend, asking for parties etc. It is very normal treatment to people who have bad behavior etc.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by SilverElfin »

jchw wrote: post #2

Exactly my thoughts. I am unfathomably angry and I want to contribute to any effort to dismantle Google as a company.

The problem is this type of controlling move, that will be used to benefit their company, is one among many things a company like Google can do that is unethical. They won’t stop. They are too powerful and can get away with it repeatedly. Even if this one thing is stopped, there will always be another dark pattern or another privacy violation or another anti-competitive thing.

We really need brand new legislation that makes it much easier to break up companies that are too big, and also to tax mega corporations at a much higher rate than all other companies. Then we can have fair competition and the power of choice. But the existing laws end up with no real consequence for these companies, and even if there’s some slap on the wrist, it takes years in court. New laws must make it very fast and low cost for society to take action.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by otterley »

nicce wrote: post #81
otterley wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are private actors. It's not acceptable to harass people for building things that are lawful but that you don't like. If you don't like this functionality, participate in democracy and work with your representatives to make it unlawful. But be prepared to humbly lose if the majority disagrees with you. You're not, however, entitled to a "heckler's veto."

Nobody is asking for harassment. Social ignorance is usually enough. Like, nobody wanting to date, be a friend, asking for parties etc. It is very normal treatment to people who have bad behavior etc.

"The only real solution is to aggressively name and shame the engineers who build this tech. They should feel uncomfortable opening their door, walking down the street."

What do you think this is a call for, if not harassment?

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by SilverElfin »

7734128 wrote: post #36
pietervdvn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, same. It is hard; we start to need a collective boycott. We can all do our part, by using their products as little as possible, contribute to open alternatives (OpenStreetMap, Fediverse, Linux, Nextcloud...) and by stimulating our (non-techie!) friends and family. But it is a lot of work :(

It should not be a "vote with your wallet" situation. It should be governments shattering that organization into appropriately sized companies.

We cannot vote with our wallets because there’s no real competition. That’s the problem with the big tech companies and other monopolistic companies in other areas.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by pat2man »

gruez wrote: post #55
dgrin91 wrote: post #54

Maybe a dumb question, but how is this suppose to work for iphone users? They wont have google play, and it seems like android/google play is required here? There is no way they would cut out such a huge chunk of the market.

iPhones have attestation too: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establ... It'll just be more clunky because you have to install their app.

They also have Private Access Tokens: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=huqjyh7k

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by bakugo »

gruez wrote: post #77
alex_duf wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm seeing this stance a lot "this is obviously AI generated" Why? What's LLM generated? How can you tell? To me what's obvious is that our trust system is already breaking down. Commenters accusing each other of being AIs is also another example of this.

>Why? What's LLM generated? How can you tell? Not the guy you're responding to, but: 1. The high number of (em) dashes is suspect, though it's unclear whether they manually replaced the em dashes or is actually human generated. 2. "One additional failure worth noting: one incident response professional in the HN thread, raised a concern that operates independently of the bot problem" feels out of place for a content…

Looks like the moderators are actively deleting comments that call out AI generated articles now. Grim. This comment will probably be deleted too.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Post by nicce »

otterley wrote: post #86
nicce wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is asking for harassment. Social ignorance is usually enough. Like, nobody wanting to date, be a friend, asking for parties etc. It is very normal treatment to people who have bad behavior etc.

"The only real solution is to aggressively name and shame the engineers who build this tech. They should feel uncomfortable opening their door, walking down the street." What do you think this is a call for, if not harassment?

There is a fine line between harassment and pointing of for socially bad actions. Harassment involves usually calling by names, making threats etc. You can definitely shame people with a diplomatic language.
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