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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by ChrisRR »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

If you're learning for your own enjoyment then you should keep learning. But regardless of AI, the music industry has always been notoriously difficult to get into

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chickensong »

8note wrote: post #307
chickensong wrote: post #227

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OP said they're trying to nurture their creative drive, which is not the same itch. It's like someone saying they want to learn how to cook, and you recommend they microwave a TV dinner.

you need technical skill to apply it creatively. a rhythm game will help develop rhythm skill, which can then be used to make new rythms creatively

I'm a fan of rhythm games, as well as making music. Both are skills, but the game is a pale shade when by comparison IMHO. Monochrome vs the rainbow. OP said they're looking for long-term fulfillment and creative growth. I don't think rhythm games satisfy either, but well, you know, that's just like uh, my opinion man.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tmountain »

johnvanommen wrote: post #265
tmountain wrote: post #203

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I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

> To me, this is the purpose of the creative journey. Knowing yourself better, and enjoying all of the steps involved in arriving at what is always a surprising destination. That's EXACTLY how I used to feel about creativity. I was an art major who didn't make it, and I found that expressing myself via my hobbies was good for the soul. Then I almost died and completely lost interest in making art! Facing my own morta…

I can relate here. I have son, who is now 3.5 years old. I haven't had the time or energy to produce any "finished work" since he's been born, and that marks a lull after 25 years of steady output. I don't feel sad or disappointed about this in the slightest. As my wife likes to say, "it's the season we're in." That said, I do really enjoy chaotic jam sessions with my son, as he's very interested in banging on his little drum set, so in some ways, it's just a new beginning. There's no better investment than time with our children.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tmountain »

tmountain wrote: post #220
cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #207

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Please share your bandcamp page!

https://huggyboy.bandcamp.com/album/into-the-wilds

Thanks to all of you for the positive feeedback! I'm happy to hear that the project landed with you.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chickensong »

strangegecko wrote: post #83
embedding-shape wrote: post #72

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I love making music, and got into it as a venue to be away from the computer. I still do post-production in Ableton, but everything else happens with gear not even connected to a computer. I've tried to make music with a DAW, but it feels so sterile and boring, compared to actually using hardware to make it. Maybe get a second-hand Novation Circuit to start with, or some similar "groovebox" that lets you make songs o…

> AI couldn't make my friends smile at me as I play them my music I've made, that's quite literally priceless. Can I ask how you share music with friends? I guess this is part of my problem, I don't really have anyone I could share with or collaborate with. The few people in my life don't listen to the type of music I like.

I'm working on a solution for this. Email in profile if you want an invite when it launches.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by neonstatic »

strangegecko wrote: post #239
neonstatic wrote: post #141

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> I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). If you enjoy the process and its outcomes, then it's not a waste of time. If you are forcing yourself to do it or have another motivation for it that is not rooted in genuine interest, then yes…

I need to force myself to do almost everything. Simply saying it's a waste of time because of that isn't practical unless I give up on life entirely. In practice, it's not binary. I'm interested because I want to make music similar to that which I like listening to. Sometimes I get enjoyment out of it, but sometimes I lose interest maybe because I'm facing a frustration. My question of wasting time is connected to "c…

I understand how you feel, because I have been there.

Worthiness is an illusion created by the mind. In reality, there is no worthiness. "can I even create something worth listening to" is an absurd question. You either like what you are hearing or you don't.

Sounds like you are not in a good place right now. The only thing I can say, that I hope won't sound patronizing, is that it is just a stage in the process of life. When I felt that way, it was both terrifying (why do I feel that way) and not terrifying (I don't feel anything). Some call it depression. Maybe they are right. For me, it's the quiet before the storm - the old has to die for the new to be born. I can now see, that the reason for that was the life I lived up to that point was not the life I wanted to live. I wasn't authentic to myself. I was weighed down by coping mechanisms, misguided beliefs, fear, and trauma. There was so much I had to reject and heal. Took me a few years, but now life has a new taste to it.

You said you are facing frustration. Good. Face it. Whatever it is that you feel, don't try to run from it or cover it with something else. The only way is through. Good luck

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tmountain »

DrewADesign wrote: post #285
tmountain wrote: post #203

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I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

If you didn’t sink a career’s worth of time doing creative work professionally, then that’s a nice relationship to have with creative output. For a lot of people, AI has been one gut-punch after another with someone selling cheap knockoffs of your work in the same marketplace using your munged up work taken without credit, compensation, or permission. Mortgages not paid, cancer not treated, birthday presents not purc…

I completely agree. It makes something that was already very hard that much harder. I have a friend who played guitar in a "famous band". They made it. Meaning, they played on David Letterman and went on extensive tours, had a huge fanbase, etc. Some years back, he reached out to see if I had any leads on IT jobs. I was surprised to say the least, but his response was simple, "there's no money in it." That conversation really hammered it home that you can "make it" and still live without financial security. Fast forward to today, and the situation is even more dire given what is happening with AI.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chickensong »

embedding-shape wrote: post #72
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I love making music, and got into it as a venue to be away from the computer. I still do post-production in Ableton, but everything else happens with gear not even connected to a computer. I've tried to make music with a DAW, but it feels so sterile and boring, compared to actually using hardware to make it. Maybe get a second-hand Novation Circuit to start with, or some similar "groovebox" that lets you make songs o…

+1 for hardware groovebox. DAW workflow isn't the only workflow. Hardware can be a pain, but if you embrace the limitations it can be really fun and rewarding as well. Korg Electribe originals are my favorite.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

input_sh wrote: post #350
CharlesW wrote: post #259

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> …from a technical perspective it's very trivial to detect anything coming straight out of a Suno/Udio prompt. It's trivial to vibe-code something that detects watermarked output and accidental model fingerprints. But next week the watermarks will be defeated, and the accidental fingerprints will change and ultimately disappear. It's not possible to generally solve the "To what degree is this audio AI generated?" pr…

You're discussing pure hypotheticals, I'm discussing what you can do today with very little effort. If that changes, it changes, but so far it's trivially easy. The question I'm more interested in is why other music streaming services are not interested in doing this trivially easy work to get rid of spam, even if it's just for the short run as you assume it will be.

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by chickensong »

Tanoc wrote: post #240
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

Art is a form of communication. You turn to the arts when the other methods to communicate something either do not feel as if they fit, or feel that they will not encompass the idea you wish to convey. Art is a dialogue with other people, not a commodity. The point is to help yourself understand what you want to say, not to say something that is valuable in way that can be exchanged for goods. So do not become discou…

“After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.” ― Aldous Huxley
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