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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by gedy »

tombert wrote: post #50
Forgeties79 wrote: post #41

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That is theoretically how one would think it would play out but that’s not what happens in reality. Instead it becomes like blog spam where it becomes impossible to actually find what you’re looking for because you’re wading through so much crap you don’t want. Also, a lot of us value the fact that music is made by a person. Digital tools have been around for a long time and people have bickered about that, but ultim…

Honestly I think the thing that most humans appreciate is effort . Using AI tools is not inherently "bad", but these very-literally mass produced AI songs are almost by definition low-effort and as a result pretty bland and unlikeable. Digital music has always been fine to me, as long as the song being produced feels like it took a human some amount of effort.

Yeah I agree with that nuance, as I personally enjoy making AI covers of songs I like in genres that I can't produce myself (old vintage blues covers of 80s new wave songs if you must know). It's a fair amount of work prompting and curating (and editing in some cases). I think they are cool and have shared a few, but they do tend to get lumped in with "ai slop" and some people take offense.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by devindotcom »

somewhatgoated wrote: post #17
devindotcom wrote: post #11

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I don't grant it. if you mean it is impossible to tell from the music itself, perhaps. but there are other means of verification.

A human can still upload tons of AI generated music though? I don’t see how verifying that the author is a human helps in any way. I also don’t think it’s a big problem but that’s another discussion

sounds like you don't really care about this honestly, so i'll reflect your apathy

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by strangegecko »

embedding-shape wrote: post #72
strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I love making music, and got into it as a venue to be away from the computer. I still do post-production in Ableton, but everything else happens with gear not even connected to a computer. I've tried to make music with a DAW, but it feels so sterile and boring, compared to actually using hardware to make it. Maybe get a second-hand Novation Circuit to start with, or some similar "groovebox" that lets you make songs o…

> AI couldn't make my friends smile at me as I play them my music I've made, that's quite literally priceless.

Can I ask how you share music with friends? I guess this is part of my problem, I don't really have anyone I could share with or collaborate with. The few people in my life don't listen to the type of music I like.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by ashleyn »

I wonder if this will lead to a sort of "open sourcing" of music, where the reputation of what one produces will be improved by releasing the raw DAW files/tracks/etc. Even if AI is used to generate the constituent parts of a manually-assembled track, it would still demonstrate to listeners that there was significant human involvement in the process.

Touring, merch, etc will also serve as good "proof of give-a-shit".

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that.

If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider.

If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by CharlesW »

mjr00 wrote: post #76
CharlesW wrote: post #65

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> …it's extremely unlikely anyone will ever encounter them naturally… "Extremely unlikely", you say? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/13/ai-music-...

This is the very definition of unnaturally: the creators of those AI songs spent a ton of money promoting them, for whatever reason.

If that were true, then I agree that, "it's extremely unlikely anyone will ever encounter them naturally unless the creators spent a ton of money promoting them" would be true. But if you're on MusicTok or using any other popular music discovery channels today, you are encountering at least some AI-created music naturally even if you don't realize it.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by sph »

twoodfin wrote: post #37
nottorp wrote: post #13

So we'll be going back to publishers as curators. Good for the publishers, I guess.

Why? HN isn’t “curating” the wave of AI-written tech article slop. Unclear if they should, readers here love it! Hard to believe these models won’t get better and better at producing music that humans want to listen to.

The problem has never been that AI music doesn't sound good.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by embedding-shape »

strangegecko wrote: post #83
embedding-shape wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love making music, and got into it as a venue to be away from the computer. I still do post-production in Ableton, but everything else happens with gear not even connected to a computer. I've tried to make music with a DAW, but it feels so sterile and boring, compared to actually using hardware to make it. Maybe get a second-hand Novation Circuit to start with, or some similar "groovebox" that lets you make songs o…

> AI couldn't make my friends smile at me as I play them my music I've made, that's quite literally priceless. Can I ask how you share music with friends? I guess this is part of my problem, I don't really have anyone I could share with or collaborate with. The few people in my life don't listen to the type of music I like.

I ask them to come over, then I ask them "Hey, mind if I play this for you and you tell me what you think?" basically. Alternatively, send it as a .mp3 via Whatsapp/Telegram and ask for feedback, but that's almost never as fun or useful.

Best way to meet like-minded people is to go to music events where those people are, always a ton of music makers around those, usually also by themselves, sometimes in the back or on the side to the speakers. Most people in such events are OK with being approached by strangers :)

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by hombre_fatal »

devindotcom wrote: post #59
hombre_fatal wrote: post #19

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What are any reasonable examples of how you can verify a song wasn't AI-generated? e.g. Game speedrunners film the whole process to prove they did it themselves. Presumably you had some ideas when you envisioned "human-verified platforms".

music can be performed live and in person. many musicians work with other musicians, labels, studios etc. a web of trust can be built and verification via performance is a compelling option. not complete but it's certainly an option. would you as a label sign an artist you'd never seen perform? maybe there is value in a platform working under similar constraints.

With the internet and modern platforms, we democratized music so that you can make music in your bedroom and publish it without collaborating with a record label, produces, etc. So you'd have to put some of that cat back into the bag, but for what?

I guess there could exist a Spotify that is limited to music performed live for people who like that. Or simpler: a checkbox you can click to filter it to music known to have been performed live.

But that doesn't sound like something I'd want imposed on all music on a platform. Scrolling through my SoundCloud favorites right now, less than half of them perform live at all, and a lot of it is remixes that are never performed live. And most of them are pseudonymous. I'd lose more than half of my music if the platform required music to have been performed live. A lot of music isn't even performable live.

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