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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Shouldn’t it be possible for AI to filter out that a request is made to portray a real person? That seems almost like a trivial task for a good model. I am sure every now and then something will slip through, but I bet one could make it very close to 100% effective.

I can see how it'd be trivial to block known celebrities, but how do you handle everyone else?

Do you need to? It doesn't know everyone else. Or at least it shouldn't.

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Portray fictional characters?

There are 8 billion humans, any fictional human is going to look almost exactly like at least one real human.

Yes but for bullying purposes this is not useful. You're not going to try generating a pic 8 billion times till you get it right.

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I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

Why does being a top AI researcher so often come with this philosophical bent you describe?

My experience with researchers (though not in AI) is that it's a bunch of very opinionated nerds who are mostly motivated by loving a subject. My experience is that most people who think really deeply and care about what they do also care more that their work is prosocial.

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To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

> Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. You can say the same for meth and leaded gasoline.

Meth is used as a licensed medication against ADHD and leaded gas is still used in general aviation. Everything has benign and evil uses.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

> people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). Honestly, we should judge. There should be judgment for people who are solely money motivated and making the world a worse place. I know, blah blah privilege, something something mouths to feed. Platitudes to help the rich assholes sleep at night. If you are wealthy and making stuff that hurts people, you are a piece of shit and should be called out, simple.

>> If you are wealthy

Then.. you wouldn't be working...

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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The Twitter social graph was an amazing data asset. I worked at a consumer insights firm and the data on followers/followings was quite powerful. Using a custom taxonomy of things (celebrities, influencers, magazines, brands, tv shows, films, games, all kinds of things), we could identify groups of people who liked certain things, and when you looked at what those things were, it gave you a way of understanding who t…

This reads very dystopian. You are not optimizing to understand people, you are optimizing to weaponize that understanding against them. When you know what someone will buy based on exploiting their unconscious preferences, and you are paid to increase sales, you will do it. Especially if your competitors are doing it too. And this happens at scale, invisibly. People never see the manipulation. In any case, it is not…

It's marketing. That's how marketing works.

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To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

Interesting response given the founder is always saber rattling about birthrates. I'm sure on-demand adult content is real compatible with helping young people overcome aversions to relationships

Relationships aren't all about sex. That's the incel/extreme right vision.

I saw a skit on insta a few weeks ago about a girl saying she had a guy over for just cuddling and the incels piled on calling him a cuck. As is a woman is worthless if she won't put out and time spent being close is wasted without sex. It's ridiculous. These guys are so focused on what their hardliner bros want them to be that they no longer think about their own feelings. PS I go on cuddling dates sometimes and it's really amazing :) They don't know what they are missing.

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To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

There's a good use case for professional assassins too, someone's gonna do it, and people want them too.

Well yeah and people are even proud of being one and getting a lot of respect from society. Like those currently flying around Iran. Which really has nothing to do with defense of the US (note that Trump dropped that pretense anyway).

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True, many smart people will gladly (or even begrudgingly) do evil for money. That's why there is so much suffering in the world, because of people like you.

Is ad tech and the like really causing so much suffering? The government work, mass surveilance, killing people etc. doesn't actually pay that much, typically.

I think ad tech is probably the single most destructive technology of the new millennium. The shift toward "engagement at all costs" business strategies is basically the root cause of societies current political polarization. Engagement bait cultivates fear and rage in the populace to get clicks. We are now seeing the consequences of shoving ads that sow fear, anger, doubt and inadequacy into peoples faces 24/7. This doesn't even touch on the fact that mass surveillance is only possible because of the technologies forged by the Ad tech industry.
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