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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by nxobject »

socalgal2 wrote: post #350
bradley13 wrote: post #187

It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US. No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period. The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

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It's not clear on my end what scenario you're talking about here.

Are you talking about a potential situation where a Drugs-R-Us are using (for example) an American service, but directing them to store it on EU servers?

Or are you talking about Drugs-R-Us using a non-American service in general?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by nxobject »

tartoran wrote: post #285
toomuchtodo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I don't trust the US as much as the rest of the world does not trust them. They want control with little to offer for it. My data and compute is safer offshore at this time.

Control is one part of it. The other concerning part is leaks and sharing it with third parties.

The two are linked, sadly – data brokers are a good way to conduct mass profiling.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by victorbjorklund »

socalgal2 wrote: post #350
bradley13 wrote: post #187

It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US. No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period. The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

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You think EU does not have any law enforcement?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by krior »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #314
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

I mean the other options are China and Europe but honestly it's probably way safer as a EU/European citizen to have your data in the USA vs Europe. The last thing I want is Europe in control of any of my data they just fundamentally don't think privacy from the government should exist. Pair that with the frankly appalling lack of free speech I wouldn't want to risk it.

Safer to have my data in the country that tries to manufacture a casus belli against my country than in my country? Safer to have my data in a country where I have no influence on what the legislature has to say on the handling of my data? Safer to have my data in a country with almost no privacy protection laws? Are we living in the same europe?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by mghackerlady »

cyanydeez wrote: post #278
8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a trope in survivalist fiction. The contractors hired to build a bunker are often the first to attempt a breach once a crisis hits.

Yes, everyone who works on the bunker will know about it; and all these billionaires are trying to build their survivalist camps but dont actually consider any of the easily/practically broken parts of society they implicitly rely on. Realistically, society we know it won't survive if it dwindles to beneath a couple of millions.

As we know it, yes, but society in general will last until there's less than 2 people per kilometer or so

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by victorbjorklund »

roysting wrote: post #349
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period. So what is Europe supposed to do just stop pretending to be sovereign?

I am not sure if you meant to say what you said. By many measures Europe is in fact pretending to be sovereign. I think it is what they are attempting to do at the moment, "stop pretending to be sovereign" and actually BE sovereign. At least that seems to be the claimed attempt. If anyone is not sure why I would say that Europe is not sovereign, I will answer that question if you ask, but considering the current stat…

The rest of NATO has more soldiers than US. Would US win? Maybe. But how many millions dead Americans? US lost in Afghanistan and there they just fought terrorists.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by fatal94 »

erentz wrote: post #338
gip wrote: post #210

Similarly, in the 2000s, the US pushed back against the development of Galileo and preferred that Europe continue relying on GPS. That created tensions between the US and the EU. Fighting data sovereignty is a losing battle for the US: data are too strategic to outsource, even to allies. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

At this stage tech companies should be pushing for very strong legislation that makes the US a bastion of data privacy to restore trust. But they are still pushing in the other direction.

No amount of legislation can stop subpoenas, wiretapping and other extrajudicial means the US has used for data surveillance since the inception of the Patriot Act. With data privacy increasingly becoming a critical matter of national security, strengthening data sovereignty laws and holding corporations accountable was always the way forward.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by mghackerlady »

MerrimanInd wrote: post #325

I hope that the EU becomes a real innovation center of decentralized tech initiatives. There are all these tech movements like local-first apps, atproto/activitypub, and self-hosting that could be absolutely supercharged by both the user and developer base of Europe flat out rejecting big tech cloud platforming.

I'm convinced in the next century the EU is going to be an innovator in decentralization in general, it's already a de facto confederation in general

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by aucisson_masque »

socalgal2 wrote: post #350
bradley13 wrote: post #187

It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US. No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period. The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

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Interpol, European authorities, international mandates, police force cooperation,...

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by dmoy »

bulbar wrote: post #359
roysting wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure if you meant to say what you said. By many measures Europe is in fact pretending to be sovereign. I think it is what they are attempting to do at the moment, "stop pretending to be sovereign" and actually BE sovereign. At least that seems to be the claimed attempt. If anyone is not sure why I would say that Europe is not sovereign, I will answer that question if you ask, but considering the current stat…

275 US military installations across Europe that are not prepared or equipped to fight a conflict against the nation's military that host them.

I don't think GP was implying anything about US military fighting against Europe? Just that having another country's military all up inside your country is weird from a sovereignty perspective.
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