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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by msy »

csh0 wrote: post #80
orwin wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

I think it’s fair to say that diplomats appear to be appointed under a two-faced system. On the one side you have some diplomats who really are quite capable career foreign policy wonks, appointed in a manner which appears to be meritocratic. On the other side you have folks appointed, like you mention, as a kind of patronage. Traditionally, it has been that the softer counterparties (Friendly countries, European all…

The patrons are doing an excellent job of adding to the 'more difficult' list.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

bradley13 wrote: post #187

It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US. No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period. The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

> No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period.

So what is Europe supposed to do just stop pretending to be sovereign?

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by bilekas »

> the U.S. strongly supports cross-border data flows that promote growth and innovation while protecting privacy, safety, and free expression

Yeah that will be a hard no from me. They're not exactly known for their positive attitude towards privacy. And free speech seems to depend on who's aligned with the administration.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by MerrimanInd »

I hope that the EU becomes a real innovation center of decentralized tech initiatives. There are all these tech movements like local-first apps, atproto/activitypub, and self-hosting that could be absolutely supercharged by both the user and developer base of Europe flat out rejecting big tech cloud platforming.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by tehjoker »

expedition32 wrote: post #300
JohnTHaller wrote: post #256

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The US doesn't have diplomats anymore. Just Republican donors with no experience. Hell, Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's dad is a diplomat. A really bad one.

Ambassadors being rich socialites is a both party problem and it is not new. No the difference is that Trump's ambassadors are directly getting involved in the local politics of their postings. And they're not even hiding it.

It's a "problem" in that it shows very clearly who runs the U.S. system. These are the people actually in charge without a meritocratic gloss to make it seem nicer.

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Post by joe_mamba »

dang wrote: post #288
joe_mamba wrote: post #213

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Can you please stop breaking the site guidelines so we don't have to keep banning you? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

And what rule did I break exactly? Please show it to me and point out which of my comments broke that rule.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by joe_mamba »

kazen44 wrote: post #245
joe_mamba wrote: post #194

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I agree with you, but that was my point exactly. No party holds all the cards to dictate the rules of the game like people bullish on ASML thought that they're somehow untouchable. They're untouchable because the US allows them to be because they play ball with the US admin and push back against rules they don't like from the Dutch government. It's a gentlemen's agreement that will be held together by mutually assure…

> can't decide how to tackle illegal mass migration the mass migration caused by american wars in the middle east you mean? Also, frontex seems to be working fine so far. >on a single direction on defeating Russia unlike the US, which has stopped all military aid to ukraine in 2025, and seems to be favouring russia more and more. Lets not forget, europe is increasing its military en masse mainly because on one hand y…

>the mass migration caused by american wars in the middle east you mean?

Nobody forced the EU to open its borders. It's their job to defend their borders from intruders, foreign especially military aged males with no visa, instead of acting as a global charity with their taxpayers' money then wonder why the far right is booming and arrest them for hate speech.

>unlike the US, which has stopped all military aid to ukraine in 2025

This is news to me that doesn't math what Google returns. Care to back that up?

>and on other hand you have the US demanding greenland

That's bad indeed on the US, but EU can't even defend Ukraine from Russia, a broke-ass country, do you think they would have gone to war with the US over Greenland? The US can do this because the EE can't do anything.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by mcmcmc »

orwin wrote: post #29
forinti wrote: post #4

How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

> US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports.

So in this administration, that would be Epstein clients and co-conspirators. Truly sending the best.

Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by mcmcmc »

deadbabe wrote: post #305
orwin wrote: post #29

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US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.

How much do you have to donate exactly? I’m always surprised by how little it takes to bribe your way into government favor. I always think it must cost millions, then I hear it’s only like $100k or so. Sometimes even just $25k for local governments.

The sky’s the limit. The politicians are the ones who set the asking price, and it’s not just money. The cost is a function of how much they think they can squeeze you for discounted by how fervently you prostrate yourself to the throne.
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