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I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#361
> I’ve had that experience. And losing it — even acknowledging that it was lost

What are you talking about? You don't know how 99% of the systems in your own body work yet they don't confront you similarly. As if this "knowledge" is a switch that can be on or off.

> I gave 42 years to this thing, and the thing changed into something I’m not sure I recognise anymore.

Stop doing it for a paycheck. You'll get your brain back.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. I don't think that's what people are upset about, or at least it's not for me. For me it's that writing code is really enjoyable, and delegating it to AI is hell on earth.

There's room for both. Give AI the boilerplate, save the exciting stuff for you.

but are employers going to be fine with that?

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

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post #14

My advice to everyone feeling existential vertigo over these tools is to remain confident and trust in yourself. If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. My experience so far is that to a first approximation, the quality of the code/software generated with AI corresponds to the quality of the developer using the AI tool surprisingly well. An inexperienced, bad dev will still…

I’m not worried about being a good dev or not but these AI things thoroughly take away from the thing I enjoy doing to the point I’d consider leaving the industry entirely

I don’t want to wrangle LLMs into hallucinating correct things or whatever, I don’t find that enjoyable at all

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#365
post #14

My advice to everyone feeling existential vertigo over these tools is to remain confident and trust in yourself. If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. My experience so far is that to a first approximation, the quality of the code/software generated with AI corresponds to the quality of the developer using the AI tool surprisingly well. An inexperienced, bad dev will still…

One thing I'm hoping will come out of this is the retiring of coders that always turn what should be a basic CRUD app (just about everything) into some novelty project trying to pre-solve every possible concern that could ever come up, and/or a no-code solution that will never actually get used by a non-developer and frustrate every developer that is forced to use it.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s obviously not going to stop there. I don’t think it is obvious actually that you won’t have to have some expert experience/knowledge/skills to get the most out of these tools.

Today. Ask again in 6 months. A year.

People have been saying this for multiple years in a row now.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#368
post #14

My advice to everyone feeling existential vertigo over these tools is to remain confident and trust in yourself. If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. My experience so far is that to a first approximation, the quality of the code/software generated with AI corresponds to the quality of the developer using the AI tool surprisingly well. An inexperienced, bad dev will still…

> If you were a smart dev before AI, chances are you will remain a smart dev with AI. I don't think that's what people are upset about, or at least it's not for me. For me it's that writing code is really enjoyable, and delegating it to AI is hell on earth.

AIs have made me realize that I don't actually care about writing code, even though it's all I've done for my entire career.

I care about creating stuff. How it gets from the idea in my brain to running on the computer, is immaterial to me.

I really like that I go from idea to reality in half the time.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#369
Programming is not art for me. I do not find it useful to gold plate solutions. I prefer getting the job done, sometimes by any means necessary for "the vehicle" to continue running.

AI often generates parts of code for my hobby projects, which allow me speed running with my implementation. It often generates errors, but I am also skilled, so I fix error in the code.

I use AI as boiler plate code generator, or documentation assist, for languages I do not use daily. These solutions I rarely use 1:1, but if I had to go through readme's and readthedocs, it would take me a lot longer.

Would there be more elegant solutions? often - yes. Does it really matter? For me - not.

Re: I started programming when I was 7. I'm 50 now and the thing I loved has changed

#370
post #35

I have the opposite take. There’s nothing stopping you from jumping into any component to polish things up. You can code whatever you wish. And AI takes away nearly all of the drudgery : boilerplate, test cases, inspecting poor documentation, absurd tooling. It also lets me focus more on improving things since I feel more liberated to scrap low quality components. I’m much braver to take on large refactors now – thin…

> In many ways AI has made up for my growing lack of patience and inability to stay on task until 3am. That is called...programming.

humans are distinguished from the lower primates by the use of tools.
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