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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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In France it's possible without legal consequences (though immoral), if you call 119, you can push to have a baby taken from a family for no reason except that you do not like someone. Claim that you suspect there may be abuse, it will trigger a case for a "worrying situation". Then it's a procedural lottery: -> If you get lucky, they will investigate, meet the people, and dismiss the case. -> If you get unlucky, the…

I mean, that's surely not as simple as you make it out to be.

Its not.

If you call 119 it gets assessed and potentially forwarded to the right department, which then assesses it again and might (quite likely will) trigger an inspection. The people who turn up have broad powers to seize children from the home in order to protect them from abuse.

In general this works fine. Unfortunately in some circumstances this does give a very low skilled/paid person (the inspector) a lot of power, and a lot of sway with judges. If this person is bad at their job for whatever reason (incompetence/malice) it can cause a lot of problems. It is very hard to prove a person like this wrong when they are covering their arse after making a mistake.

afaik similar systems are present in most western countries, and many of them - like France - are suffering with funding and are likely cutting in the wrong place (audit/rigour) to meet external KPIs. One of the worst ways this manifests is creating 'quick scoring' methods which can end up with misunderstandings (e.g. said a thing they didn't mean) ranking very highly, but subtle evidence of abuse moderate to low.

So while this is a concern, this is not unique to France, this is relatively normal, and the poster is massively exaggerating the simplicity.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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There's no tool, technological or legal, to block/ban a website EU-wide.

They will set their DNS servers to drop all incoming connections to X. That can be done in each country. They can use Deep Packet inspection tools and go from there. If the decision is EU wide then they will roll that out.

There is no law that would permit the EU to do this. This would be a huge thing to introduce and implement, probably a 2-3 year project, and would almost certainly be strongly opposed by multiple member countries.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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In France it's possible without legal consequences (though immoral), if you call 119, you can push to have a baby taken from a family for no reason except that you do not like someone. Claim that you suspect there may be abuse, it will trigger a case for a "worrying situation". Then it's a procedural lottery: -> If you get lucky, they will investigate, meet the people, and dismiss the case. -> If you get unlucky, the…

I can't believe theres a country out there that has recreated the DMCA but for child welfare

Canada and Germany are no different.

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-mom-cfs-bac...

[1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ariha-family-visit-t...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. I remember something (probably linked from here), where the essayist was comparing Jack Ma, one of the richest men on earth, and Xi Jinping, a much lower-paid individual. They indicated that Xi got Ma into a chokehold. I think he "disappeared" Ma for some time. Don't remember exactly how long, but it may have been over a year.

From what I hear, Ma made 1 speech critical of the government and Xi showed him his place. It was a few years, a year of total disappearance followed by slow rehab. But China is different. Not sure most of western europe will go that far in most cases.

Trump kidnapped Maduro to show the latter his place, but then the US is neither China nor Western Europe so that does not count.

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Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

Who knows who did what on this island, and I hope we'll figure it out. But in the meantime, going to this island or/and being friend with Epstein doesn't automatically make someone a pedo or rapist.

No, but they all knew he was a pedo/rapist, and were still friends with him and went to the island of a pedo/rapist, and introduced the pedo/rapist to their friends...

We don't know how many were pedo/rapists, but we know all of them liked to socialize with one and trade favours and spread his influence.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Elon is literally in the files, talking about going to the island. It's documented

Who knows who did what on this island, and I hope we'll figure it out. But in the meantime, going to this island or/and being friend with Epstein doesn't automatically make someone a pedo or rapist.

As part of the irrational mob that is out to find the witch, you are just being too rational. Down vote!

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Well, RAINN are stupid then. CSAM is the woke word for child pornography, which is the normal.word for pornography involving children. Pornography is defined as material aiming to sexually stimulate, and CSAM is that.

> CSAM is the woke word for child pornography I fear you could be correct.

CSAM is to child pornography as MAP is to pedophile. Both words used to refer to a thing without the negative connotation.

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> The goal should be to reach as many people, of course, but also to ensure that the method and medium of communication is in the interest of the public at large. Who decides what communication is in the interest of the public at large? The Trump administration?

You appear to have posted a bit of a loaded question here, apologies if I'm misinterpreting your comment. It is, of course, the public that should decide what communication is of public interest, at least in a democracy operating optimally. I suppose the answer, if we're serious about it, is somewhat more nuanced. To begin, public administrations should not get to unilaterally define "the public interest" in their co…

Public institutions can use any system they want and make the public responsible for reading it.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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From what I hear, Ma made 1 speech critical of the government and Xi showed him his place. It was a few years, a year of total disappearance followed by slow rehab. But China is different. Not sure most of western europe will go that far in most cases.

Trump kidnapped Maduro to show the latter his place, but then the US is neither China nor Western Europe so that does not count.

Arrested and the vast majority of Venezuela love that it happened.

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-ma...

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