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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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THanks for sharing this. Partly because i forgot about this great website :D also because i would never thought of giving this as an LLM task because its so simple that i prolly just had hacked it down myself :D

I recently experimented alot with agentic coding (mostly with gemini+ intellij plugin, copilot intellij plugin and intellij's own junie) and also condsidered to give it a try and feed images to the AI, but than all tasks i tried so far were pure backend-ish so it never came to the point.

Im really curious how especially junie will act and i will give it a try with the very same task you gave it. We gonne see how it ends :D

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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>which is something OP can manually fix what if the LLM gets something wrong that the operator (a junior dev perhaps) doesn't even know it's wrong? that's the main issue: if it fails here, it will fail with other things, in not such obvious ways.

>what if the LLM gets something wrong that the operator (a junior dev perhaps) doesn't even know it's wrong? the same thing that always happens if a dev gets something wrong without even knowing it's wrong - either code review/QA catches it, or the user does, and a ticket is created >if it fails here, it will fail with other things, in not such obvious ways. is infallibility a realistic expectation of a software tool…

By sheer chance, there's now a HN submission that answers both (but mostly the second) questions PERFECTLY:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46185957

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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LLM stands for large LANGUAGE models, so I guess you could succeed if you had a correct LANGUAGE. Maybe radial coordinates? Or turtle graphics? I myself tried to generate an SVG with twelve radial dots as in a clock in chatgpt, and failed (a year ago). Now I think it would succeed, however still the question is does it succeed because people trained it to do so.

Also I have noticed that AI generates things close to what you want, and it sticks really hard to that "close" qualifier, not wanting to cross any borders to get too close, so I'd be happy with the effect you have shown, as it is what AI does

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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> here's no other way to do it besides getting Claude to recreate it from a screenshot And > I'm an engineering manager I can't tell if this is an intentional or unintentional satire of the current state of AI mandates from management.

Honest question: does he know about F5? Or was it intentional to use screenshots when source is available?

What is F5? Beside refresh in the browser?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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"there is no other way to preserve it" Bullshit. Right click -> view source Or just press ctrl+s and the browser will also gather all the assets into a folder for you. The arrogance of thinking that the only way you know how is the only way.... You literally forgot the save feature all browsers have just because you set out to "solve" this using "ai"

Please read the sentence right after the one you quoted. You removed to context to shit on him :(

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Do you have a source for that being the key difference? Where did you learn your words, I don’t see the names of your teachers cited here. The English language has existed a while, why aren’t you giving a citation every time you use a word that already exists in a lexicon somewhere? We have a name for people who don’t coin their own words for everything and rip off the words that other painstakingly evolved over a mi…

What a profoundly bad faith argument. We all understand that singular words are public domain, they belong to everyone. Yet when you arrange them in a specific pattern, of which there are infinite possibilities, you create something unique. When someone copies that arrangement wholesale and claims they were the first, that’s what we refer to as plagiarism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9huNI5sBd8

It is possible that the concept of intellectual property could be classified as a mistake of our era by the history teachers of future generations.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Maybe? But it also seems like you are that you are not accounting for new information at inference time. Let's pretend I agree the LLM is a plagiarism machine that can produce no novelty in and of itself that didn't come from what it was trained on, and produces mostly garbage (I only half agree lol, and I think "novelty" is under-specified here). When I apply that machine (with its giant pool of pirated knowledge) _…

I'm not here to convince you whether Markov chains are helpful for your use cases or not. I know from personal experience that even in cases where I have a logically constrained query I will receive completely nonsensical responses¹. ¹ https://chatgpt.com/share/69367c7a-8258-8009-877c-b44b267a35...

> Here is a correct, standard correction:

It does this all the time, but as often as not then outputs nonsense again, just different nonsense, and if you keep it running long enough it starts repeating previous errors (presumably because some sliding window is exhausted).

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Everything feels wrong with that approach too me, starting with calling a perfectly time-appropriate website anachronistic . Anachronistic would be something like creating an apparent flash website for a fictional 90s internet related movie.

He's using it correctly, in its secondary sense of "belonging or appropriate to an earlier period, especially so as to seem conspicuously old-fashioned or outdated."

Still not quite convinced that the adjective should be applied to the website itself in a quite loose use of the word.

Warner Bros anachronistically keeps this website online would be a simple fix; here used to reference and to point out that maintaining an untouched 1996 promotional site at it's original location is not typical for the lifecycle of a website, usually the publisher would rather redirect clicks to some current offer.

Othwerwise there is no anachronism here with the website itself, just it's location under the original URL and not in some archive only.

The website itself fulfilled its purpose for promoting the movie when it was released and simply continues to exist.

You wouldn’t call posters, magazines, or other artifacts from the ’90s anachronistic just for still existing. Being retrievable doesn’t make something outdated by itself.

“Anachronistic” would apply only if a new promotional site were created today to look like this—though that would more likely be called “retro.”

Or if the movie industry insisted on using CSS-free table layouts for all its promotional websites, similar to other norms or laws that feel anachronistic because they no longer match current needs.

Sadly the whole piece reads like it was written 80%+ by an LLM too, seriously why all the emojis? But apparently this is where content is heading in general.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

Certainly if a human wrote code that solved this problem, and a second human copied and tweaked it slightly for their use case, we would have a word for them. Would we use the same word if two different humans wrote code that solved two different problems, but one part of each problem was somewhat analogous to a different aspect of a third human's problem, and the third human took inspiration from those parts of both…

> we have laws and norms that provide sufficient incentive for new ideas to continue to be created

Indeed, and up until the advent of 'AI' we did. But that incentive is being killed right now and I don't see any viable replacement on the horizon.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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but as mlinsey suggests, what if it's influenced in small, indirect ways by 1000 different people, kind of like the way every 'original' idea from trained professionals is? There's a spectrum, and it's inaccurate to claim that Claude's responses are comparable to adapting one individual's work for another use case - that's not how LLMs operate on open-ended tasks, although they can be instructed to do that and produc…

It's not uncommon, in a well-written code base, to see documentation on different functions or algorithms with where they came from. This isn't just giving credit; it's valuable documentation. If you're later looking at this function and find a bug or want to modify it, the original source might not have the bug, might have already fixed it, or might have additional functionality that is useful when you copy it to a…

This is why I'm still, even after decades of seeing it fail in the marketplace, a fan of literate programming.
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