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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Certainly if a human wrote code that solved this problem, and a second human copied and tweaked it slightly for their use case, we would have a word for them. Would we use the same word if two different humans wrote code that solved two different problems, but one part of each problem was somewhat analogous to a different aspect of a third human's problem, and the third human took inspiration from those parts of both…

They key difference between plagarism and building on someone's work is whether you say, "this based on code by linsey at github.com/socialnorms" or "here, let me write that for you."

Do you have a source for that being the key difference? Where did you learn your words, I don’t see the names of your teachers cited here. The English language has existed a while, why aren’t you giving a citation every time you use a word that already exists in a lexicon somewhere? We have a name for people who don’t coin their own words for everything and rip off the words that other painstakingly evolved over a millennia of history. Find your own graphemes.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

I've been struggling with this throughout the entire LLM-generated-code arc we're currently living -- I agree that it is wack in theory to take existing code and adapt it to your use-case without proper accreditation, but I've also been writing code since Pulp Fiction was in theaters and a lot of it is taking existing code and adapting it to my use-case, sometimes without a fully-documented paper trail. Not to mentio…

What amazes me is how many programmers have absolutely no concept about copyright at all. This should be taught as a basic component of any programming course.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Space Jam website design as an LLM benchmark. This article is a bit negative. Claude gets close , it just can't get the order right which is something OP can manually fix. I prefer GitHub Copilot because it's cheaper and integrates with GitHub directly. I'll have times where it'll get it right, and times when I have to try 3 or 4 times.

>which is something OP can manually fix what if the LLM gets something wrong that the operator (a junior dev perhaps) doesn't even know it's wrong? that's the main issue: if it fails here, it will fail with other things, in not such obvious ways.

>what if the LLM gets something wrong that the operator (a junior dev perhaps) doesn't even know it's wrong?

the same thing that always happens if a dev gets something wrong without even knowing it's wrong - either code review/QA catches it, or the user does, and a ticket is created

>if it fails here, it will fail with other things, in not such obvious ways.

is infallibility a realistic expectation of a software tool or its operator?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Color management infrastructure is intricate. To grossly simplify: somehow you need to connect together the profile and LUT for each display, upload the LUTs to the display controller, and provide appropriate profile data for each window to their respective processes. During compositing then convert buffers that don't already match the output (unmanaged applications will probably be treated as sRGB, color managed gra…

Yes, but why is the compositor dealing with this? Shouldn't the compositor simply be deciding which windows go where (X, Y, and Z positions) and leave the rendering to another API? Why does every different take on a window manager need to re-do all this work?

Turning the question around, what other part of the system _could_ do this job? And how would the compositor do any part of its job if it doesn't have access to both window contents and displays? I'm not super deep in this area but a straight-forward example of a non-managed app and a color-aware graphics app running on a laptop with an external display seems like it is enough to figure out how things need to go together. This neglects some complicating factors like display pixel density, security, accessibility, multi-GPU, etc, but I think it more or less explains how the Wayland authors arrived at its design and how some of the problems got there.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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They key difference between plagarism and building on someone's work is whether you say, "this based on code by linsey at github.com/socialnorms" or "here, let me write that for you."

Do you have a source for that being the key difference? Where did you learn your words, I don’t see the names of your teachers cited here. The English language has existed a while, why aren’t you giving a citation every time you use a word that already exists in a lexicon somewhere? We have a name for people who don’t coin their own words for everything and rip off the words that other painstakingly evolved over a mi…

What a profoundly bad faith argument. We all understand that singular words are public domain, they belong to everyone. Yet when you arrange them in a specific pattern, of which there are infinite possibilities, you create something unique. When someone copies that arrangement wholesale and claims they were the first, that’s what we refer to as plagiarism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9huNI5sBd8

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Claude/LLMs in general are still pretty bad at the intricate details of layouts and visual things. There are a lot of problems that are easy to get right for a junior web dev but impossible for an LLM. On the other hand, I was able to write a C program that added gamma color profile support to linux compositors that don't support it (in my case Hyprland) within a few minutes! A - for me - seemingly hard task, which w…

Claude didn't write that code. Someone else did and Claude took that code without credit to the original author(s), adapted it to your use case and then presented it as its own creation to you and you accepted this. If a human did this we probably would have a word for them.

This is not how LLMs work.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Could you please stop posting this sort of indignant-sensational comment? It's not what this site is for, as you know (or should know). https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dang, can you explain how this is indignant or sensational? Anthropic's leadership and researchers continue to this day to post messages saying engineering will be fully automated. I can go find recent messages on X if you'd like. This forum is comprised mostly of engineers, who will be the most impacted if their vision of the world pans out. YC depends on innovation capital to make money. If the means of production…

"want to automate our jobs away", "Asmodai and team want you working in line at McDonald's", "You're a serf" all obviously fit that description.

Low-information, high-indignation rhetoric is exactly what we don't want here, so please don't post like this.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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> If a human did this we probably would have a word for them. I don’t think it’s fair to call someone who used Stack Overflow to find a similar answer with samples of code to copy to their project an asshole.

Using stack overflow recklessly is definitely asshole behavior.

Recklessly is a strong word. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your comment in good faith.

How do you describe the “reckless” use of information?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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>I'd like to preserve this website forever and there's no other way to do it besides getting Claude to recreate it from a screenshot.

There are other ways such as downloading an archive and the preserving the file in one or more cloud storages.

https://archive.is/download/cXI46.zip

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