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Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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I have a special spot that gets extremely annoyed when I feel I have to spend a necessary time just figuring out what something is. The page suffers from "developer-brain" marketing, where they describe the technology used to build it (cloud-native images) rather than what the product actually is. Why not just lead with that it is a Linux distro/version focused on gaming. In the beginning, I thought it was new hardwa…

It says on the main page: "The operating system for the next generation of gamers" The one fault perhaps is saying "operating system" when it's a distro. Linux is the operating system

They JUST changed it (probably due to the HN feedback). Now the title on tip reads "The operating system for the next generation of gamers" while just yesterday it was simply "The next generation of Linux gaming".

The change is for the better, but I would still like to have words like "Linux" and "distro/distribution/pack" be used.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Have you produced an exhaustive survey across a wide range of hardware and driver and display manager combinations? I’m happy to be an outlier here but my own experience doesn’t match with what you described hence my reply.

If I admit to anything less than doing a gamer nexus style benchmarking suite you will just claim it is an anecdote. I have actually tested on a number of different distros and display managers and at least two different video card chipset manufacturers. No it isn't exhaustive, but it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true. Even if it is the case,the r…

Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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If I admit to anything less than doing a gamer nexus style benchmarking suite you will just claim it is an anecdote. I have actually tested on a number of different distros and display managers and at least two different video card chipset manufacturers. No it isn't exhaustive, but it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true. Even if it is the case,the r…

Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY

And I get totally different results. It not just the distro. It the version of the Kernel, the version of proton, whether you are using X or Wayland etc. Etc. Etc.

The very point I am making is that it is so variable. So posting benchmarks pretending that it proves anything is asinine.

I won't even get into all the other issues with the mouse getting lost on some games, text being too small/to large. Having to fuck around with LD_PRELOAD flags and loads other gumpth that is never mentioned on a YouTube video.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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That's mainly an nVidia issue. On AMD, Linux is actually faster and more stable compared to Windows.

There seems to be little evidence of that, at least from a reputable source. For some games it can be. For some games Proton performs far worse than Windows. It's not steady across the board. And some have stability issues, bugs, major performance problems, or just flat out don't work. I want Proton to be the future as well, but I think it's important not to oversell it as a drop-in replacement either. EDIT: GN highl…

Here are good videos with benchmarks: https://youtu.be/u4a2pDMXLAE https://youtu.be/77LBtP3nZwY

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Outside of console or handheld like experiences, I am not sure what this distro gives that Mint, proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam dont give me? I basically just download windows games as external applicationd through steam and use proton. Though I suppose a one click like “run this as proton” and “run this in this proton environment” could be useful. But once you learn how to change targets its not super complica…

The entire point of Bazzite and other immutables is that you get a rock solid system that you never ever have to worry about breaking. Atomic updates means updates either apply or don't: there's no partial/fail state that can stop your PC from working. And in the rare event that an update has issues, you can instantly boot the previous two images, without typing any commands or using any fancy restore tools. And if y…

Mint does support upgrading the OS, both to minor and major versions.

I personally installed Mint in 2014 and used the upgrade path until a month ago, when my distro finally started showing bad signs of being experimented on (by me, for 11 years) and it was easier to do a fresh install instead.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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They’ve all had 2-3 models in the last decade-ish. So that’s at least 1 time I would have had to have thrown everything away. I miscounted though, I’ve been running the same OS since Windows 7. Probably 2014. I’ve been able to upgrade without having to throw away my entire operating system. Consoles aren’t a solution for longevity.

They’ve each had one new generation release since 2013.

Yeah that’s 2 different models and at least 1 time that I have to toss my entire system.

Nintendos had 3 generations in that time and Xbox has had countless churn in its hardware.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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To the downvoters: client-side anticheat simply cannot stop all the cheaters. Why? Because it's running on hardware that the cheater has full control over. It has been (and continues to be) an enormous amount of effort, and some cheaters are absolutely going to get through anyway.

Right, you cannot control hardware you do not own and have in your possession. A cheat that uses another computer and a camera to watch the screen and emulate a mouse is an effective aimbot that no client side method will ever detect. The future must be server authoritative net code and behavior-based server-side cheat detection.

Day Z’s authoritative server‑side detection performed so flawlessly, it let me breach the network bubble and force other players to defecate themselves. 10/10, would recommend.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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It's snapshotted from Arch, once a year they bump the kernel and include "updated Arch Linux base" as a release note. SteamOS 3.7 is still on Kernel 6.11 and KDE Plasma 6.2, for example. Bazzite is 6.17 and Plasma 6.5. This matters if you're using more recent hardware or want the latest driver optimizations. My 9070 XT is supported by Bazzite, SteamOS won't even boot.

SteamOS main is on Kernel 6.16.12 and KDE Plasma 6.4.3

My point exactly, main is SteamOS's alpha state before its frozen into 3.8 beta, and its still months behind Bazzite.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Probably for the same reason they don't support every Arch package on the Steam Deck out-of-the-box; it breaks easily and it's not their job to fix it. Additionally, I think Valve doesn't want to end up over-committed to replacing Windows. They can handle the storefront side and do a decent job with handling the runtime, but actually committing to a desktop alternative to Windows would be spreading their resources th…

Lots of assumptions that could be totally wrong. Custom distros are not new operating system - majority of hw support is because linux supports it. It would probably be more work for Valve to support only their hw instead of keeping what linux/arch support. I am also not sure why you think they wouldn't want to end up replacing Windows. Thats exactly what they've been trying to do since microsoft included their store…

They're not assumptions, I outlined in my comment it was my thoughts and beliefs.

> Custom distros are not new operating system

Nothing is. Windows uses old DOS code, macOS uses BSD code, nobody's OS is truly written "from scratch" in 2025. Just because you can recycle old programs doesn't mean writing an OS is easy.

> majority of hw support is because linux supports it. It would probably be more work for Valve to support only their hw

And much of Linux hardware support is not in-kernel, period. Valve could not flip a switch and start supporting Asahi Macs or Nvidia's proprietary UNIX drivers; they would be committing to patching and maintaining all of their future quirks and surprises. Not even Valve should be wasting their time doing that.

> I am also not sure why you think they wouldn't want to end up replacing Windows.

They do! But "wanting to replace Windows" and "wanting to write the replacement for Windows" are two different things. Valve's current software team has a headcount lower than 500, they aren't equipped to compete with Microsoft even if they wanted to. It's much easier for them to ship all-in-one style devices that keep expectations low and replicate Windows' most desirable features.

> which already failed once

Steam Machine was a home console, it did not replace Windows for anything that wasn't directly ported to Linux. The lesson from this era is simple; supporting Linux is hard. It's hard for developers, hard for consumers and especially hard for Valve.

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