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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Semaphor »

okanat wrote: post #129
logifail wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

Many or even most banks in Germany don’t require google verification, many even work on rooted phones.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by anonym29 »

bonoboTP wrote: post #224
harrisoned wrote: post #179

> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

Wow, rendering their entire core business operation vulnerable to extortion from a DDoS attack that's capable of taking down a single API endpoint? Even if they have a major commercial WAF/CDN, the cost to take down Cloudflare is a lot lower than the revenue lost by an entire airline being unable to process boarding at all.

Fingers crossed the Russians figure this out and help remind these businesses why lacking paper alternatives is NOT a cost-saving measure. The group that can take down that API endpoint can pretty much name their price to Ryanair and the C-suite will effectively have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to pay it if there's truly zero alternative and that starts disrupting revenue indefinitely.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

bonoboTP wrote: post #303
XorNot wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

No, sending a pdf by email is no extra cost. They already have an email output interface for tickets and recipts and confirmations. It's all about better tracking. I'm not quite sure what additional info they get exactly, but tons and tons of mobile websites (that work and don't get deleted) are close to unusable due to a barrage of popups telling you to use the app (e.g. Reddit and other socials). Also there is no i…

>I'm not quite sure what additional info they get exactly

probably more guaranteed location tracking - hey this guy is buying tickets from the expensive part of town on the newest model iPhone! Chance we can jack up the price, 99% good!

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by brokenmachine »

john01dav wrote: post #352
bonoboTP wrote: post #286

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Without endorsement of the behavior, here's a guy getting arrested for being argumentative about not having a boarding pass in the app, and being told he can't pay their 5 dollar boarding pass print fee with cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwwPmHyuEA Again, being argumentative like this never helps, but it will be you either go along with it, get escorted out or not fly in the first place.

Morally, this guy did nothing wrong. These abusive practices need to be stood up to. I'd rather live in a world where this sort of vehement NO when someone with power tries to pull something unreasonable, like demanding an app or fee, is common and effective, than this world where companies and governments can just steamroll people. Ideally, other passengers would see what's going on, see the systemic problem (even i…

>The comments on that youtube video mocking the guy and not even addressing the airline's unreasonable policy are also an absurd lack of solidarity against these companies.

I see this a lot on reddit and youtube. I tend to think that it's bots paid for by the company.

There's always just too much unanimous agreement in favor of the corporation.

Maybe I just don't want to believe that people are that homogenized.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by [deleted] »

XorNot wrote: post #305
bonoboTP wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sending a pdf by email is no extra cost. They already have an email output interface for tickets and recipts and confirmations. It's all about better tracking. I'm not quite sure what additional info they get exactly, but tons and tons of mobile websites (that work and don't get deleted) are close to unusable due to a barrage of popups telling you to use the app (e.g. Reddit and other socials). Also there is no i…

As an SRE I can assure you that "sending a PDF by email" is far from free to support, and anything email is pretty much top of the list to eliminate.

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by [deleted] »

XorNot wrote: post #305
bonoboTP wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, sending a pdf by email is no extra cost. They already have an email output interface for tickets and recipts and confirmations. It's all about better tracking. I'm not quite sure what additional info they get exactly, but tons and tons of mobile websites (that work and don't get deleted) are close to unusable due to a barrage of popups telling you to use the app (e.g. Reddit and other socials). Also there is no i…

As an SRE I can assure you that "sending a PDF by email" is far from free to support, and anything email is pretty much top of the list to eliminate.

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by osks »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #199
xxs wrote: post #185

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Of course in the EU - pretty much all Baltic and Nordic countries support id cards connected via usb

Nope, Sweden requires Mobile BankID on iOS or Android for example.

Several of the biggest banks have alternative methods that don’t require mobile BankID.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by osks »

3836293648 wrote: post #232
logifail wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Well in Sweden we can't. You already need bankid on your phone to log in on your PC. There used to be a bankid desktop app and dedicated hardware, but that's gone from many sites now

There are banks/companies that require BankID, but there are several big banks that have alternative methods. It seems that only Swedbank of the big four require mobile BankID for sign in.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by 11mariom »

f_devd wrote: post #164

I've posted this as a response but I'll post it again since it seems like a lot of people are confused about the project: This project is not THE digital wallet, it is an early prototype of the wallet (which can be criticized for what it is, but the issue is somewhat orthogonal). The actual infrastructure is not based on attenstation, if you read the guidelines (or the readme) they actually want to implement a double…

> I've posted this as a response but I'll post it again since it seems like a lot of people are confused about the project

Even if it is ZKP still… whole idea is just bad. I mean whole age-veryfication done by gov is bad.

And forcing one to use smartphone is even worse.

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