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Unfortunately the things we think make us human turn out to be trivial to copy and drudgery might be our true destiny. Moravec's paradox writ large.

Have you heard that AI music? It's absolute shite. AI is a much better boilerplate coder than a musician.

As with all things AI this is the worst it will ever be. It will be better next year and the year after and the year after...

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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These are actually just the problems easier for researchers to solve, mostly due to a lot of readily available data.

Everyone shares music and art they make but nobody ever shares videos and motion capture of themselves doing laundry and vacuuming their house. Maybe we need to start sharing that instead

Meta has several first person pov datasets available

https://ai.meta.com/datasets/

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You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

> We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free

Not literally "everyone". Someone still has to make the food you eat and the house you sleep in.

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My point is that I was firmly in the “I want to retire early” category, found myself with the means to do so, and that this wasn’t theoretical for me. But the thing I imagined is not the reality that I found. I realize “they” have other motives for convincing people such a future is a problem. But that doesn’t remove what I truly believe would be a hellish reality for many. I’m all for pushing society in a less work-…

If you switch from (forced) workaholism and burnout to the opposite, you're going to have whiplash. And perhaps PTSD. I think the concept of personal freedom is hugely misunderstood. The US model seems to be some combination of wealth, privilege, and absence of social/financial obligation to others. But we're seeing over and over that the people who attain that kind of freedom are often deeply unhappy, and sometimes…

I agree with this comment. If I’d started from a position where I had a better relationship with work, maybe the whiplash wouldn’t have been so severe and I could have transitioned to something better before getting stuck.

My worry is that so many people around me - from all walks of life and across a wide range of pay scales - have a similarly unhealthy relationship with their work and would experience the same whiplash.

My deeper worry is that the rate of technological progress is far outpacing any efforts to implement a less toxic economy and culture, and that such changes to economy and culture must necessarily be gradual to avoid massive societal upheaval and chaos.

Ultimately I want to work on big world-impacting problems whether I’m getting paid for it or not. I know this is possible, but spent most of my early life training for the toxic work culture that burned me out.

I think we need off-ramps and on-ramps, not cliff dives.

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The idea that we no longer need labor is preposterous. Where are the machines to take care of children or the sick, or to build and maintain housing? What kind of science fiction world do you think you live in?

They’re not suggesting no-one has to work. They’re suggesting that no-one has to live without necessities like food, shelter or medical insecurity.

"For free" implies no forced labor or time commitment. So yes, they're suggesting no-one has to work.

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I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

> Many people would not know how to live under such a system People will learn just like they learned how to live under the alternate system.

I do think people will learn/adapt. I’m in the middle of that now. The question/concern is more about what happens during that learning process, and whether or not society has structures in place to facilitate it at scale.

e.g. my journey involved quite a bit of professional psychological help, and I feel lucky that I found good care given the shortage of good care in this category.

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I wonder what part of that was actual rejection of the vaccines vs a rejection of collective action itself as an idea.

The rejection itself was a collective action. It wasn't passive, anti-vaxxers did work spreading propaganda, protesting and undermining vaccination efforts. They made it a part of their identity and culture. If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear par…

> If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear partisan lines as it was, is a mystery.

It isn't a mystery, it was the bullshit and lies that happened the first month of covid in USA, many people then stopped listening even when the bullshit and lies stopped. I remember the cases in New York exploding and the local democrat told people to continue as normal since its nothing to worry about, and that masks doesn't prevent spread so don't go buy masks, that was how it all started.

They say they had to tell those lies to save resources for those who needs it, but that made people stop trusting them and that counts for so much more. I hope they learned their lesson, but likely they didn't as they never said "Sorry we lied to you, we shouldn't have done that".

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

If everyone has a basic life for free, how do we decide who still has to harvest crops?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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>If labels offer so little benefit, why have they not become obsolete? Because artists are preyed upon early in their career into signing contracts that encompass the most profitable years of their lives and often the output of those years forever for small loans and promises of success. The way these label deals are structured, if VCs in the tech world did the same it would be like having the investor of your very f…

Doesn't DistroKid (or CDBaby) cost like $20? Last time I looked to upload something, that's the price I saw.

Why does it cost anything? Imagine if to upload to YouTube you had to pay a company that's an arm of Paramount Pictures $20.
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