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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by naabb »

profeatur wrote: post #325
theyinwhy wrote: post #247

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Genuinely curious: What are those nice things Europe cannot have?

Well, most things, considering the absolutely pathetic average salary, the rising cost of living, and the ever-increasing tax burden.

Most things? Like vacation days? Like healthcare? Like the safety of not being murdered by a maniac with a gun? I'll take my lower salary thank you very much.

Nevermind the fact that you obviously come from a previliged position if you think that money is all that's important. You're blinded.

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Post by naabb »

cmenge wrote: post #311
robin_reala wrote: post #258

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What are you talking about? Leaving aside your other random complaints that I don’t recognise, but can’t immediately link to, a basic lightbulb is less than €3 for a two-pack: https://www.ikea.com/de/en/p/solhetta-led-bulb-e14-250-lumen...

That's an LED though. I understood he was referring to incandescent light bulbs, which have been largely regulated out of the market. So you now need to get an "Edison light bulb" which circumvenes regulation but costs significantly more.

Good, that's the point. Price out the products that are bad for the environment. They are still there if you want to contribute to the degradation of the environment

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Post by _bin_ »

fredoliveira wrote: post #210
_bin_ wrote: post #153

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it doesn't actually define unacceptable risks. could be used for the development of biological, chemical, or nuclear agents? sure, an intelligent general-purpose model could be. so can wikipedia versus having to trawl through old library books. so can control-F on a PDF.

It provides examples of unacceptable risks — they're in the article. And the obvious whataboutism is obvious. Yes, you can find other sources for information on, say, developing bio weapons elsewhere. Does that mean you should have systems that aid you in collecting, synthesizing and displaying that information? That with the right interfaces and actuators can actually help you move towards that goal? There's a line…

Wikipedia collects, synthesizes, and displays such information, and provides a references section for further exploration. How the heck can anyone justifying something that does that but in a chat format?

The threshold to building any of these save nukes is extremely low, and nukes are only high because there are fewer use cases for radioactive material so it's simply less available.

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Post by cccbbbaaa »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #342
verzali wrote: post #317

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I will be honest, I am always very skeptical of these claims that the big tech companies are fine but small business is hurting. Many of them seem to originate with the big tech companies themselves and I highly doubt they really have the interests of small business in mind. Plus, I'm old enough to remember when everyone claimed EU tech law was about to ban memes, which didn't happen...

We saw a bunch of small side project type of sites from the EU close down all over HN after GDPR became a thing. The risk for someone small is too high. The minimum fines are in the millions.

No, the minimum fines are in the hundreds, and that’s on the unlikely event where you actually get a fine. Fines over a million are definitely not the norm. See GDPR article 83 and https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

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Post by naabb »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #75
waltercool wrote: post #73

Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

European politicians dont understand anything. We are led by utter morons. And redditors here complain about trump, I'd much rather have him than these mouthbreathers we have.

Yeah trump is not a total utter moron, you're totally right, i'd rather have the insurrectionist who hired a gaggle of oligarchs to run the country. that's a much better alternative to people who actually protect your rights and the environment with regulation.

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Post by linksnapzz »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #240
DocTomoe wrote: post #123

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The EU in a nutshell: You can't have nice things, but on the bright side Google/Apple/Facebook won't know what you had for dinner. Now give us your whole financial transaction and travel history, so we can share it with the US, a hostile country, citizen!

The USA in a nutshell: We elected a President who tried to lead an armed insurrection but we'll never press criminal charges because we elected him President again. Sorry, but anything the EU has ever done pales in comparison with that.

Of course. No EU president could lead an insurrection! The working group in Brussels charged with formalizing the insurrection guidelines to produce the right forms for the insurrectionists to apply for their mob permit...is currently stuck hammering out definitions between the Italian and Czech delegations.

They hope the paperwork will be complete by 2053, which will allow an EU president to, hopefully, attempt some kind of coup (if everything is filled out correctly) sometime before 2060.

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Post by butlike »

stubish wrote: post #292
cabalamat wrote: post #217

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> and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment So if an AI can't change its weights after deployment, it's not really an AI? That doesn't make sense. As for the other criteria, they're so vague I think a thermostat might apply.

Keyword 'may'. A learning thermostat would apply, say one that uses historical records to predict changes in temperature and preemptively adjusts. And it would be low risk and unregulated in most cases. But attach to a self-heating crib or premature baby incubator and that would jump to high risk and you might have to prove it is safe.

So if the thermostat jumps to 105 during the night, that's not considered 'high-risk?'

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Post by NekkoDroid »

thrance wrote: post #275
2rsf wrote: post #272

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Are they using AI for that? algorithmic doesn't necessarily mean AI

Right after Musk bought twitter, the code for the algorithm was open sourced and I took a look at it. I don't know if it's still open today but anyways, there was some ML stuff in it at the time. I guess it would depend on what constitutes "AI" to European legislators.

> I don't know if it's still open today but anyways

I am p sure that they made like major major changes after they code dumped it. Considering "verified boosts" and "elon boosts" are very noticable, with the first being an confirmed "feature", I doubt the algorithm would even remotely work with data from nowadays.

Anyway, what I wanna say is that the last commit was over 2 years ago.

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