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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by willmadden » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:23 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Content based marketing and political correctness have severely eroded the usefulness of the internet. The LLMs and search magnify the erosion.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by Terr_ » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:27 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

> I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results.

I worry that there's a confusion here--and in these debates in general--between:

1. Has the user given enough information that what they want could be found

2. Is the rest of the system set up to actually contain and deliver what they wanted

While Aunt Tillie might still have problems with #1, the reason things seem to be Going To Shit is more on #2, which is why even "power users" are complaining.

It doesn't matter how convenient #1 becomes for Aunt Tillie, it won't solve the deeper problems of slop and spam and site reputation.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by neillyons » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:27 PM UTC

Definitely "Code Red" for Google Search

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by topaz0 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:27 PM UTC

kylebenzle wrote: post #342

thefourthchime wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's SEO almost killed the web, ChatGPT Search will finish the job.

We are still spending most of our time online on social media sites like Hacker News, Instagram and Youtube, right?

That's not the web

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by chankstein38 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:27 PM UTC

niek_pas wrote: post #320

I'm a little confused: I've searched the web with ChatGPT before. How is this different?

Same here. I ask it to search all of the time. I guess maybe now it is required to provide sources? It usually did before but there were times it didn't so maybe the update is that it's required to?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by airstrike » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:28 PM UTC

davedx wrote: post #202

I asked it to do its own DCF model of Paypal using current data and it did, using inputs from three different financial data sources. This is incredible and a direct threat to Google’s core biz.

I asked for a DCF model of NVDA and it was incorrect on basically every aspect, from its understanding of DCF valuation, to the sources it used (or lack thereof), to the result it claimed the script would have calculated ($150 vs. $359 if you actually ran it)

As we used to say in the street "garbage in, garbage out": https://chatgpt.com/share/6723e865-d458-8011-b2ef-1a579026e6...

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by utilityhotbar » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:29 PM UTC

I consider it very characteristic of Silicon Valley that nobody can think of a more immediately useful task for something supposedly capable of multi-stage intelligent planning and execution other than "plan me a vacation to X location". Are all of their hundreds of millions of prospective customers all software engineers with long holidays and too much disposable income xD

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jahewson » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:29 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Reddit is astroturfed pretty hard too nowadays. It just takes more work to spot it.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by cvburgess » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:31 PM UTC

_andrei_ wrote: post #345

Pretty underwhelming, I've been using on Kagi's assistant [0] for the past few months and it's much better. I can `!chat what i want to search for` in my address bar any time, and Kagi will do the search and then open a chat with the LLM of my choice (3.5 Sonnet) and the results in context. It can also do further searches. [0] https://kagi.com/assistant

Second this, Assistant is a game-changer for me. Its the usefulness of AI with footnotes that give me confidence that I can know where that came from and if I trust it. Especially for product reviews, being able to use lenses that filter out sites I don't trust and then run AI on top of it is pretty cool.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by colordrops » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 8:31 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Chat isn't needed to provide reliable answers. Google used to do this over a decade ago. What Star Trek didn't foresee was vested interests in the SEO space, governments, political special interest groups, and the owners of the search engines themselves had far too much incentive to bork and bias results in their favor. Google is an utter shit show. More than half the time it won't find the most basic search query for me. Anything older than a couple years, good luck. I'm sure it's just decision after decision that piled up, each seemingly minor in isolation but over the years has made these engines nearly worthless except for a particular window of cases.