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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by 4bpp »

wkat4242 wrote: post #196
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Except Telegram has much less E2EE than Signal or Whatsapp. It's not on by default, works only between 2 devices, they both have to be online at the same time and you can't access anything from the web. And group chats don't support it at all. Private chats are not end to end encrypted by default and it's actually quite clumsy to encrypt them so almost nobody uses it. It's really weird that Telegram is singled out li…

In a way, Durov's arrest retroactively vindicates every EU citizen's decision to use Telegram (up until now), as it proves that they haven't been getting what they want from him. I am not nearly as concerned about Durov himself or the government of Dubai getting to read my messages as I am about the EU or one of its member states doing so, as there simply isn't much I can see the former doing with that data. The real danger only arises when the people who can read your messages and the people who can dispatch dudes with guns to your house are in cahoots. (For the same reason, I tend to roll my eyes at warnings about various forms of Chinese spyware.)

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by compiler1410 »

dang wrote: post #303

We changed the URL from https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... to an article in English. If there's a better article in English, we can change it again.

>Billionaire CEO named namedson

This isn't Slayers X.

But on a serious note if he's a billionaire then he can drop the whole monetization schtick. Telegram has become unusuable in the last few years. There's crypto scam ads everywhere.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by Detrytus »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #298
andrepd wrote: post #242

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Hah! Life would be great if the EU's problems started with von der Leyen

Where did it start out of curiosity?

With its creation, by which I mean Lisbon Treaty. Before that EU was basically just a free trade zone, after Lisbon the eurocrats took over, trying to turn EU into socialist's version of heaven on Earth.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by megous »

Coincidentally or not, yesterday there was another sweeping ban of various Palestine related channels on Telegram across EU:

https://x.com/SamidounPP/status/1827062901364208099

So not sure what's the non-cooperating about banning "terrorist" content is about, since various info channels definitely were getting blocked on telegram in EU over the last year.

I can't for the life of me as an EU "citizen" even figure out who asks for these bans on behalf of the EU. Kinda doubt it's someone in my country, because it's reported as EU wide ban in this case. Maybe it's done by some overbearing country on this particular topic, like Germany, and Telegram just blocked it EU wide, for some reason.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

gmueckl wrote: post #99
codedokode wrote: post #65

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What do you mean by "knowingly providing a service to a criminal"? Is Elon Mask then guilty for providing access to Twitter for Trump?

Twitter already got warned about hosting Trump by the EU.

Great, arrest both, I don't like them anyway.

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Post by alex00 »

evilfred wrote: post #249
alex00 wrote: post #42

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The extent of the accusations is evidence that all that is made up in order to get access into Telegram. Telegram is too important to the other side in the Ukraine war. If Telegram goes, then the other side is silenced.

by "other side" you mean "invaders of their sovereign neighbour"

Ukraine is being played in this proxy war. We are dumping them as soon as they are of no use to us. Like many times before.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by squidbeak »

chucke1992 wrote: post #20
codedokode wrote: post #11

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If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

Basically as he did not provide access to the encrypted messages and communication in Telegram, they accused him for supporting the criminals. That's all to it. It is basically the part of the current politics in EU where they are trying to force access to all encrypted traffic across devices.

This is incorrect. Channels and their associated chats aren't encrypted and are centrally hosted by Telegram.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by gck1 »

Grammrr wrote: post #302
gck1 wrote: post #258

Funny story - there were some protests in my country some months ago. We're a semi-autocratic country on the verge of becoming a dictatorship. During the protests, the government used masked 'civilians,' or what you'd call 'titushkis,' to beat up activists at their home addresses or elsewhere in public. We were also getting calls from fake numbers on our personal numbers with threats. A channel was created on Telegra…

And what app was used by the protestors to communicate with one another?

I've been recommending Signal to anyone potentially targeted for years. Almost everyone aware of being a target has used, and continues to use, Signal. Those not specifically targeted are at least well-informed about its importance.

However, during protests, the government sometimes jams the network, or perhaps the cell towers simply fail under the load of thousands of people in a concentrated area - rendering Signal unusable. Consequently, we needed a peer-to-peer messaging solution, but couldn't find a suitable one. During the protests, we were essentially left without any means of digital communication and had to rely solely on verbal one.

We couldn't use Briar due to the mix of iOS and Android devices here. Cross-platform compatibility is a must. And we never got Bridgefy to work at all in our tests.

With more protests possibly on the horizon depending on the outcome of the October elections this year, I'm on the lookout for a cross-platform messaging app that can function without internet connectivity. If anyone has recommendations for such an app, or other suggestions, please share them with me :)

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by sgc »

vessenes wrote: post #269
chucke1992 wrote: post #23

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> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

I think you read my clumsy sentence backwards. They absolutely want to get in the middle of messaging, all of them. This is behind many of the calls for E2E interop as well -- all the proposals I'm aware of call for termination somewhere in the middle; you can imagine who'd like to be at that termination middle point. This is why Apple will not "move over" to RCS, ever, as a first class transport -- it's fundamentall…

So just give me an apple messaging client on my non-apple devices. It is insanely, practically criminally, anti-social to lock your messaging system into your devices alone. It's like the Joker is running the business decisions over there. Who cares, let's just watch the world burn.
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