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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by earnesti »

codedokode wrote: post #8

If they want to arrest him for lack of pre-moderation, then it is ridiculous.

They added this wallet feature with a lot of different cryptos, which implicates that they are also now providing maybe a financial service. The regulation with those is heavy.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

Oras wrote: post #10
chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

If it is an encrypted service, how would the company censor and tackle these issues? I’m asking from a technical standpoint.

Telegram has public and private groups. They probably want to jail him for not pre-moderating every posted message.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by ceinewydd »

greatgib wrote: post #9
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…

https://x.com/filosottile/status/987376021589692416?s=21

I'm not sure that counts as an impeccable track record.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chucke1992 »

Glacia wrote: post #4
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the first place.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vessenes »

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down.

This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my understanding is that harassment on border entry has been the order of the day, rather than arrests.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by chucke1992 »

codedokode wrote: post #11
chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

If he intentionally cooperated with criminals then it is one thing. But if someone posted something illegal, and nobody reported this, then it obviously is not Durov's fault. If you are too lazy to report illegal content then you should arrest yourselves first.

Basically as he did not provide access to the encrypted messages and communication in Telegram, they accused him for supporting the criminals. That's all to it.

It is basically the part of the current politics in EU where they are trying to force access to all encrypted traffic across devices.

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