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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by fennecbutt »

chongli wrote: post #341
immibis wrote: post #337

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The two tablet genders: iPad, and Windows Surface. It's a shame no other giant tech company ever created one that has exactly the combination of attributes you asked for.

If you’re referring to Android, the answer is no. Android is a mobile OS. It does not run Mac or Windows desktop apps.

Samsung Dex is probably the epitome of this. It certainly acts like a desktop os...ms office etc on it is great

https://imgur.com/svSZzYD

Obviously not for full time use, but as something you can plug in if you're traveling, it's amazing

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by fagrobot »

DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

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Post by shuckles »

talldayo wrote: post #326
shuckles wrote: post #309

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The Play Store has similar fees for IAP and sales as Apple. When people complain about Apple charging developers, it’s not about the $100 annual cost of the developer program.

They aren't complaining about the 30% either; they simply want a way to compete with what the App Store charges for. Android provides that, iOS does not.

iOS does provide that, as Spotify has built a huge business on iOS while paying Apple nothing.

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Post by nox101 »

shuckles wrote: post #186
nox101 wrote: post #79

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It's control of the market that matters. Apple (and Google) each effectively control 40%-60% of the world market on digital goods. Pay Apple 30% for your app and 15-30% for all digital goods. That's unacceptable because their market is so large. 2 billion+ devices each (or is it 3 billion now?) 100s of thousands of companies are under their thumb. Don't follow their rules, loose 50% of your entire market. Do follow t…

What is the market for digital goods and how does PC distribution factor into your definition?

That doesn't really change much. Assuming the numbers are correct, there are 6 billion people have smartphones and 2 billion have PCs. That still means Google and Apple collectively control the majority of world's digital distribution. I suspect many of those PCs are not used nearly as much as the phones as well and have far less digital content on them (apps/music/movies/games/books)

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Post by beretguy »

massysett wrote: post #147
lupusreal wrote: post #134

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You will have the choice of installing or not installing the software you wish. The "choice" as you're describing it is a symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.

I might not want that choice. That requires that I use my brain as I use the device and not do the harmful thing. Or maybe I want to hand the device to my child and be assured that she cannot install software, or use it as a publicly-accessible kiosk and be assured members of the public can’t break it. People who have handed Windows PCs to software illiterates and have to constantly return to eradicate crapware under…

> That requires that I use my brain

There, you fell into a trap of your own making.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by beretguy »

jbjohns wrote: post #138
beretguy wrote: post #13

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Why are you defending having less ownership over devices that you own? It’s like your employer wants to give you a salary increase but you complain and say you don’t want more money.

Why are you presenting something that happened as entirely one sided? This move means the end of an enforced, curated walled garden for iOS. This will mean a race to the bottom for iPad apps. Which, of course, means even more ads (since everything must be paid for one way or another). It likely means iPad prices go up even more because now they're forced to support configurations they've never tested. For me personal…

> This move means the end of an enforced, curated walled garden for iOS.

Great! (Imagine having wallgardened Windows computer where you could not install whatever you want).

> This will mean a race to the bottom for iPad apps. Which, of course, means even more ads

iOS store is already at the bottom. Everything is with ads or subscription based. More ads won’t scare me because I won’t use app with any ads. If app offers one time purchase - I’ll buy it if I like it. Examples of apps I bought: Structured, Bobby, ArtStudio, MusicStudio.

> if I want to install things outside the walled garden, I use a my Mac not a mobile device

What if Apple decided you cannot install apps outdide off their App Store on a Mac neither? What would your “Apple-defending” argument be then? It’s NOT a far fetched idea. Microsoft tries it with Windows S Mode and they currently constantly threaten people when they download software from internet about how dangerous it may be, trying to scare people into using their store.

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Post by gchokov »

toyg wrote: post #150
gchokov wrote: post #109

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Will I ever install something side loaded? No.

Does anyone care about what you do with your own devices? No. Should your position impose any limitation on what people can do with their own devices? Also no.

Are you hating because UK doesn’t get this? Can I not tell what I do with my device? I am not imposing anything, especially to weening people. FFS.

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Post by f6v »

cromka wrote: post #206
f6v wrote: post #198

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I don’t think versatile devices are possible. I love iPad Pro for what it is. I tried Surface Pro and it was a much inferior tablet experience, even though the device is more “versatile”. I just doing think that you can get an excellent tablet by trying to be a laptop at the same time.

It’s a screen. Add a regular Bluetooth keyboard mouse and you have a PC. There’s no compromise here from hardware perspective, it’s just software that’s in the way.

I mean, Samsung has DeX. It’s exactly what you describe. I don’t like it, I don’t need it. I’d rather have a focused device than one that tries to be two things at once.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by jbjohns »

beretguy wrote: post #367
jbjohns wrote: post #138

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Why are you presenting something that happened as entirely one sided? This move means the end of an enforced, curated walled garden for iOS. This will mean a race to the bottom for iPad apps. Which, of course, means even more ads (since everything must be paid for one way or another). It likely means iPad prices go up even more because now they're forced to support configurations they've never tested. For me personal…

> This move means the end of an enforced, curated walled garden for iOS. Great! (Imagine having wallgardened Windows computer where you could not install whatever you want). > This will mean a race to the bottom for iPad apps. Which, of course, means even more ads iOS store is already at the bottom. Everything is with ads or subscription based. More ads won’t scare me because I won’t use app with any ads. If app offe…

>Great! (Imagine having wallgardened Windows computer where you could not install whatever you want).

Again, you are presenting this as if it has only one side to it. I need a computer that has no walled garden for certain kinds of work. For other kinds of work I'm happy to know I can't break it. Even more important, I'm happy when my parents can't break the one I buy them.

>More ads won’t scare me because I won’t use app with any ads. If app offers one time purchase - I’ll buy it if I like it.

As long as such an option exists. But in a true race to the bottom situation, there may not be anyone willing to invest in developing an app and then selling for a one time purchase. One time purchase is a model that's nearly dead anyway.

>What if Apple decided you cannot install apps outdide off their App Store on a Mac neither?

This I wouldn't accept because I can't. It's a development machine for me. But an iPad is a consumption device, I need the thing to just always work.

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